Gate picket stepped up
Defiant protesters have stepped up their campaign against the landfill dumping at Hafod. A meeting of more than 60 local people agreed to organise all-day pickets of the site. The site is open from 7am-6pm during the week and until 1pm on Saturdays.
The campaigners already have a long list of breaches of the site licence and need extra people to help with this collection of information.
Please get along when you can and help fill the rota whenever possible.
posted by hafod @ 7:31 PM
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I hope you all have stopped putting your bins out for collection knowing it will be tipped at landfill.
60 people. That is less than the number of loads entering the site in a day.
If that's the best the pro-Hafod brigade can manage... although it is after last orders on Saturday night.
Sinclair must be hoping that this will all blow over by Christmas so she can carry on catching the Cardiff
Bay-vy train after the next elections
Hello,
Look out for sneaky moves by the Carwyn Jones camp.
At the moment he is up against it good style.He knows that Sinclair will lose her seat next time around unless they can pull something out of the bag.
I think that the decision he makes will in no way be decisive but some sort of "blind" that will drag out the process longer whilst the promotion of karen sinclair gets under way by the local and national New Labour propoganda machine Also quite sadly this promotion goes on by some members of the Hafod protestors who don't waste a second in singing the praises of Sneaky Sinclair and Martyn(don't bother me with matters political)Jones
Look out for sneaky moves as well by Plaid Cymru.They are boasting that they are a viable alternative to Labour whilst at the same time they are working behind the scenes to establish a coalition with Labour in the Assembly in the event of labour losing seats in the May elections and the protest vote goes to Plaid.
It's a pity that there are no political parties who are seriously concerned about Hafod(the lib-dems and conservative support being even a bigger joke than Plaid and New Labour).
Even Marek can't be trusted...well would you trust a man who gives half a million pounds to a football club when there are kids starving all over the world?
Ultimately all of the politicians will let the protestors down and that includes Dave(I cant decide who to be today) Bithell and Nick(I have no objection to asbestos)Colbourne.
Ultimately the only thing that will bring about change are the protestors themselves.
Unfortunately we live in an age where local and national politicians are out to put their own careers first and dedication to voters second.
LIARS
LIARS
LIARS
Threats of violence.
False claims of vehicle offences.
You are a joke.
I am not pro-Havod nut you have lost my sympathy.
The gloves are off.
Hi,
The gloves are off alright,and by the time they get put back on not only will Hafod be well and truly shut but lots of political careers as well as careers in the town hall will be well and truly over!!
We need neither your support or sympathy,we will win despite the macinations of local(yourself) and national politicians.
OK, I'm totally confused. With all these anonymous postings, who's calling who a liar? If people don't start posting coherent posts, then we will have to identify posters.
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All these anonymous postings are very confusing. If people could give some sort of id it would make it easier to follow the thread of their arguments.
I would specifically like the second anonymous poster to identify them selves. If you are going to attack people by name it seems like cowardice to do it anonymously. It would also strengthen your argument if you tried using facts. Where do you get your information about a Labour/Plaid pact?
As a member of Plaid I can assure you we hate Labour almost as much as the Tories and the feeling is mutual. As I have said previously we in Plaid have been against this landfill from the beginning we have successfully campaigned against landfills in the past and will not stop campaigning against this one until it is stopped. We are the second party in Wales and South Clwyd. Any independent candidate is only going to let Labour off the hook. Most people that are outside of the Rhos/Ruabon/Johnstown areas won’t be voting on this issue.
I don't think it's right to slag off polititians who have always helped whenever they can. David Bithell is a bloody good councillor, ask anyone in Johnstown, it's a shame we haven't got more like him.
Labour don't like him cos he shows them up.
Others like Jill Evans and Janet Ryder have done a lot to help too. Real help not bragging about how much paper they have on their desks! TOP TIP:If you let it build up then your not dealing with it quickly enough. Get organized or get a paperweight and go on holiday.
Hi Maurice
You asked here do you get your information about a Labour/Plaid pact?
Dragons Eye on the telly the other night where no less than three leading members of Plaid said they would have no problem with a coalition with Labour if it came to that.For gods sake stop fooling yourselves about Plaid,they are a sterile party of self preservation,in bed with big business and about as Socialist as Tony Blair.
Now *that* is a lie... Rhodri Glyn Thomas was the only Plaid AM interviewed on Dragon's Eye and at no point did he say "Plaid should go into coalition with Labour". The other two were political commentators, who talked the idea up because it makes their lives more interesting. Go to the BBC website if you don't believe me.
Hello,
I saw that Dragons Eye and was actually quite shocked.I didn't see three Plaid Cymru politicians suggest a coalition,but I did see Plaids Rhodri acting every bit the New Labour politician and not giving any straight answers on the issue.
Merv
By the way Maurice,you still didn't answer my bit about Plaid being in bed with big business..I don't think you can.
Plaid have about as much interest in bringing about radical change in Wales as the man in the moon.Just look at the players,it reads like a who's who of the local CBI.
A positive rogues gallery of boring unoriginal upright citizenship.
I didn't answer because it was beneath contempt to suggest Plaid are in bed with big business.
All of our money comes from our members, unlike the other parties. We were the only party the Electoral Commission didn't find had financial irregularities in a recent report.
Before you accuse Plaid of not being radical,boring and unoriginal, you should wait to see what our manifesto has to offer. The draft manifesto will be out in the next few weeks and we'll be inviting people like yourself to scrutinise it and suggest improvements. So, when the final manifesto comes out, it'll reflect the views of the people of Wales as well as our own core values.
A 'rogues gallery of upright citizens' is an oxymoron. If Plaid has upright citizens in it's leadership then that surely is a good thing?
So, Anonymous, what's your manifesto?
I am calling you liars, creating traffic offences that MWA have proof never happened.
Care to give examples? Many people have seen (and not reported) dangerous driving by MWHoldings that almost resulted in a police officer being run over.
Congestion on the roads that simply is not there.
Has this ever been a major issue?
Reporting offences to the EA that are totally false.
Again, details please.
People that I have spoken to, who live in Johnstown, told me that they cannot smell the landfill and have not seen any increase in dust or rubbish flying round.
I think it's generally accepted that smells and vermin are at their worst on landfills in the summer. And the dumping has barely begun at the site, so it's unlikely there would be major problems at this stage. Perhaps others have different experiences.
The vehicles entering the site do not come through the village and the A483 exit being so close makes the site ideal as far as traffic is concerned.
You obviously weren't working on the day that the relief driver drove in via the village.
I will leave the politics to those who know but to say your campaign is gathering support is irrelevant as 1500 tonnes a day is being tipped.
MWH rushed to start dumping before the council made a decision. MWH is happy to ignore democracy because the vast majority of people in Wrexham (and Wales) are against this. If that's irrelevant, doesn't that say something about the state we're in?
I ask again. Are you still putting your bins out for emptying because that waste will be going to landfill?
People in Wrexham are recycling as much as they're allowed under the present council. Many of the campaigners against Hafod are also campaigning for a Zero Waste approach to rubbish that will see landfill reduced dramatically.
Hi Maurice,
By it's very nature the so-called democratic process in this country is seriously flawed.The system of electing representatives is a farce and the whole idea of one person representing thousands of people is so utterley preposterous that it doesn't even deserve further discussion.(Or should i Just say that a clown in a dicky bow is supposed to represent me)
The political representation apparatus merely serves as a convenient tool to perpetuate the myth of democracy.
Plaid are little more than yet another political party attached to the the spectacle of non-representation.
Born of radical roots Plaid has turned in to a fart belching bunch of windbags in the pay of the state and doing very little to upset the status quo,whilst drawing their fat salaries.
The party is even distancing itself from Welsh seperatism and embracing Europe..(better salaries in Europe).
But lets get back to the nitty gritty of this story shall we.
You make the usual arrogent political assumptions that Plaid's agenda will represent what the people of Wales want...pass me the sick bag please.Shall I tell you what the people of Wales want...big houses...big bank accounts...enjoyable jobs...a meaningful life...a cracking health system a return from alienation and isoloationism...world peace and love.
Now how the fuck is Plaid gonna dismantle the capitalist system to make all of these things possible.
There is about as much chance of Plaid or ANY political party delivering ANYTHING ever apart from crap economic/social system rotten from the ground up,that functions to serve the rich and keep the masses grinding away creating the wealth for the few.
If you think Plaid has got any motive other than an exercise in nest feathering then I suggest you bang your head against a wall, and who knows it may well knock those rose tinted glasses form off your head.
So annon,
Are you a bit of a cynic then :)
My grandad used to say don't vote for politicians it just ecourages the buggers :)
He was right.And the only way this hafod thing is going to be decided is by politicians trying to save their own skins.
Merv
You may all hate polititians, but the only alternative put forward so far is a pig!
I've just got back from North London where the recycling scheme admirably collects (as well as the things collected by Recycle with Michael) motor oil, used car batteries, old mobile phones, shoes and clothes.
However, my priorities for an expanded recycling scheme in Wrexham would be: doorstep cardboard collection, and collection of those plastics which are recyclable but which Michael won't touch: e.g. polystyrenes, polythenes, polypropylene.
Which brings us back to the packaging industry. Packaging should only be made of materials which are either biodegradeable or which are re-usable or recyclable, (practically recyclable not just theoretically).
It's no good for cardboard to be collected from neighbourhood centres only, as people can't necessarily get it there.
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