Tuesday, October 24, 2006

Councillors to investigate site

Councillors Dave Bithell and Mark Pritchard are to investigate the Hafod site after complaints from local residents. They demanded access to the site from Murky Waste Holdings to check up on the landfilling amid concerns that the company is not sticking to planning guidelines.
If you have issues you want them to raise with MWH, please get in touch here


At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good, lets look at why the site is not getting covered at a weekend. Does the wheelwash work and why are those spunges coming onto the road.

At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:32:00 PM, Anonymous Ray Hughes said...

Do we know whether Carwyn Jones has been to visit the site yet? Maybe the councillors could ask Murkey Waste.

At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:41:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

anon, you make me laugh. The site is covered as tipping progresses, every night and at weekends. The wheel wash works fine but there is also a high pressure hose to make sure every possible step is taken to try and keep the highway clean. Including a full time roadsweeper.
I remember when Dennises were taking the clay over the road. The road was so dirty the tracks were like speed bumps.
The bits of sponge are part of the cover material and can be found on the road at Pen-Y-Bont and Gowy too. Sometimes bits get stuck under the wagons but cannot be seen by the drivers checking before exit so fall off on the road.
Anybody can see what is going on by looking through the fence so what is the problem?

At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:03:00 PM, Anonymous merv said...

How come Dave Bithell only turns up there when there is a photo opportunity.
How fascile the two councillors demanding to see the site.It would be far more productive if they demanded an investigation into the way Wrexham council plannimg department is run,and also why the envoronment agency and the countryside council for Wales has rolled over for Mersy waste.

At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats your agenda Merv Mate, how many times have you been at the gate protesting? not once I bet.

At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:14:00 PM, Anonymous Moreton boy said...

How come Dave Bithell only turns up there when there is a photo opportunity.

Are u psychic Merv - how do you know theres going to be photographers there?!

Dave Bithell's my councillor. I didn't vote for him because I've always been Labour but since he got elected he's done stuff for this village, he's stood up and been counted and more than anything he's listend to the people. So when he says he's going to look at our concerns about the Hafod I'm happy with that. If he hadnt listened i spose youd be the first on his case - "Dave Bithell doesnt listen to his constituents, he won't investigate the site blah blah lah". Put a new record on Merv, this one's cracked.

At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:17:00 PM, Anonymous sisters of mersey said...

Merv makes me laff - so busy slagging off Dave Bithell but he's said nothing about Colbourne, the absentee councillor. Could it be that Merv has got a secret agenda?

At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:33:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeh, your a disgrace Merv

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:39:00 AM, Anonymous Eatyergreens said...

Merv said: "It would be far more productive if they demanded an investigation into the way Wrexham council planning department is run,and also why the environment agency and the countryside council for Wales has rolled over for Mersey waste."

Merv is absolutely right on this one. Go for it Dave'n'Mark!

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:19:00 AM, Anonymous merv said...


Thanks for your kind replies.
Dave Bithell got onto the council on the Forward Wales ticket and then promptly dropped them and became independent,so much for scruples.
There is one thing you will not find Bithell doing and that is upsetting the council bandwagon or even attempting to scratch below the surface to find out what really goes on there.
He knows a quick stroll around the site will be a good opportunity for a photoshoot,but he also knows that it will amount to absolutely nothing.

The hafod is a radical problem and it requires radical solutions,at the head of this list is a proper investigation of the Wrexham Planning Department,The Environment Agency,and the Countryside Council for Wales.
You aint going to get Bithell disturbing those nests of worms,and you definately wont get Nick Colbourne doing it either,and that accusation can be levelled at most of the politicians who have pretended to be concerned about hafod.


At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:21:00 AM, Anonymous carl davies said...

Does John Doe work at Hafod? He knows a lot about wheels.Does the highway get cleaned and road swept all the way from Murkyside? If I was him I'd be more worried about getting cancer from all that unknown rubbish than a few angry protesters.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:31:00 AM, Blogger dafad ddu said...

A case of vintage sour grapes from Merv! I guess we'll find out Merv's true identity if and when he stands against Dave Bithell in May 2008 ;-)
Tell us Merv, what should be specifically investigated at Wxm Planning Dept? The Environment Agency? The Countryside Council for Wales?
Have you initiated these investigations? Have you made Freedom of Information inquiries to get at the facts? Have you raised these concerns with the action group?

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:31:00 AM, Anonymous Maurice Jones said...

Merv, what a plonker!
You spend half your time slagging off every politician who've ever drawn breath and now you call for an investigation into quangos.
So who do you suggest runs this investigation? Who do you trust? Oh, I know, get the pig to do it.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:36:00 AM, Anonymous 2tontess said...

Blimey Merv, What's Dave Bithell done to upset you?

He's been great round Johnstown. I think he is the best councillor ever, my mum thinks so too.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:58:00 AM, Anonymous merv said...


Dave Bithell has done nothing to me and he is an OK bloke,but if you think he is gonna get anything shifted then you are really quite disillusioned.
My anwer to your question is yes I have done a great deal of work investigating the histories of the various agencies involved.
Since when have you had faith in politicians,the last time I spoke to you,you were an anarchist...how age changes us :)
The pig certainly is a vaible alternative to the shower of local and national politicians we have representing us!!

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:05:00 PM, Blogger dafad ddu said...

If you've done your own investigations, please share it with the rest of us activists. What's the big secret?

You still haven't answered my questions about what specifically you'd like investigating. If you have information re these organisations, we should all be involved in investigating them.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:13:00 PM, Anonymous Maurice said...


I think it's memory that age has affect on: I am a socialist and always have been.
What Hafod shows us is the total lack of democratic accountability in society at present. It's no surprise that 2 of the 3 things you want an enquiry into are quangos. Like you, I don't have much faith in our political leadership but not all politicians are bad and if we're going to win this fight we're going to need the help of people like Dave Bithell, Mark Pritchard, Janet Ryder etc.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:38:00 PM, Anonymous merv said...


All I can say to you is that this protest is lost.The most we can hope for is to expose the local and national politicians for what they really are.
The energies of the protest group are wasted on politicians.

Why do you think we "need" politicians.It is the politicians who have brought about the circumstances that have created the need for protest in the first place.I can't see any of that shower you mentiones changing anything.


At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:52:00 PM, Anonymous Maurice said...

It seems to me Merv, that you want Hafod to fail so that you can blame all politicians.
Let's make one thing clear, it's not ALL politicians that have caused this problem. John Redwood started this and the dirty dozen on the council have struck the last blow. Even if Carwyn Jones lets tipping continue we still have the option of taking the fight to Europe. If we can show that Murkeywaste have breached their license we may still be able to get the council to revoke at a later date. Remember 6 out of 16 councillors voted to revoke last time so dont write them ALL off.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:02:00 PM, Blogger dafad ddu said...

Merv, do you engage your brain before typing?

"The energies of the protest group are wasted on politicians."

So putting pressure on councillors, AMs, MEPs and MPs is a waste of time when they have it within their power to change things. Nantygwyddon tip in the Rhondda was closed by a political decision. Hafod is being landfilled as we speak because of a political decision by Mersey councillors to allow it to happen. It can be closed by a political decision.
It can also be closed by people power, which forces politicians to change their views (usually in order to save their own skins).
Yet we have no alternatives being offered by you, just the usual negative attacks.

All I can say to you is that this protest is lost.
With friends like this who needs enemies? If the protest is lost, doubting Thomases like you will have contributed to it. No doubt, if the protest succeeds, you'll be the first to claim victory.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:11:00 PM, Anonymous merv said...

Hi Maurice,

I certainly don't want Hafod to fail.All I am saying is that it will fail,partly due to politicians and partly due to the softly softly approach of the protest itself.
Take your fight to europe and you are taking it to the grandaddy of all political pits.Europe is a beaurcratic hell functioning mostly to serve those who work the operation and the multinationals who totally control it.
I think you can also forget about hoping to spot site violations by Mersey Watse.The site itself is a violation but one that is fully sanctioned by the law and rubber stamped by all those politicians you keep referring to.
The only way to close the site is through direct action.If this did happen then you wouldn't see the politicians arsses for dust,and that includes Plaid.


At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:15:00 PM, Anonymous merv said...

Hi Hafod,

Nothing like a bit of faith...what i am saying is that there is no point in having faith in OUR politicians,there are politicians in this country who DO make a difference unfortunatly none of them reside in the wrexham area.


At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:19:00 PM, Anonymous The human traffic bump said...

Didn't see your arse on the ground when Plaid members and others were lying in front/underneath lorries... too busy "investigating the planning department" perhaps.
I know who Merv is. If I didn't, I'd swear he was being paid by Mersey Waste to distract us from the real campaign.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:24:00 PM, Blogger Blodwen Fleer said...

It looks as though you're throwing in towel Merv? I think it's way too early to give up.
We all know landfill at Hafod is wrong, it's in the wrong place and has no value to the people of Wrexham in terms of health, welfare, environment, conservation, consultation, consideration and gives our children a bad example of how we look after our communities/deal with waste.
By all means give up on politicians but you get what you vote for.I appreciate that often there isn't much of a choice but you are free to stand if you think you can do the job better.
Even the bad politicians who want to feather their nests will have to listen to what we want and implement it: Or get voted out. We have the right to vote for someone who will do the job of representation. It's still the only way we can change things and from what I hear, Dave Bithell is the kind of politician we need more of and credit should be given where it is due. After all, he and Mark pritchard haven't given up and neither should you.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:31:00 PM, Blogger dafad ddu said...

there is no point in having faith in OUR politicians,there are politicians in this country who DO make a difference unfortunatly none of them reside in the wrexham area.

Who would they be? Perhaps we can get them to come to a public meeting and share their wisdom?

Perhaps you'd like to address the public meeting and tell us what you've found out in your investigations of the planning dept and what we (or our councillors) should focus on. You've still not answered my questions Merv.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:49:00 PM, Anonymous G Povey said...

When they visit the site, will they take a conservation expert with them to look at how the newts are doing?

I hope they take photos and do a report about what is there. How will it affect us, and will the seagulls eat the newts? I have noticed rats lately, near flood drains how many more will come because of this tip?

I am glad they are going there and I hope they help to shut it down.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:59:00 PM, Anonymous merv said...

I think a lot of what I have said here is what a lot of the people are thinking,and that is including people on the morning protest.
Also a lot of people are beginning to think that direct action is the only way.
As I have said if you adopt this you will not see your politicians for dust.


At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:15:00 PM, Blogger dafad ddu said...

Why won't you answer any questions I put to you Merv? You seem to be setting yourself up as a spokesman for the morning protests. Good on you. But please be ready to answer genuine questions and also tell us what kind of direct action you have in mind.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:19:00 PM, Anonymous merv said...

Hi Hafod,

This is a daft question but are you a member of the protest group and have you got a real name?


At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:38:00 PM, Blogger dafad ddu said...

I have been protesting at the gate and other aspects of the campaign. I'm sorry I couldn't attend last Monday's informal meeting. The action group know my name but I will answer to "Hafod" for the purposes of this blog.
Now, any chance of you answering my questions?

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:44:00 PM, Anonymous Maurice said...

Direct action does have its place but if you think you can close this site down through direct action you're wrong. The best direct action can achieve is publicity and if we're not careful that publicity will be bad publicity.
What direct action do you propose?

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:59:00 PM, Blogger Blodwen Fleer said...

It's very frustrating waiting for Carwyn but it's a necessary lull in the procedings.
We're just waiting and nothing seems to be moving on, I understand that but direct action is best employed when you know/act according to your exact situation.
At the moment we're in limbo, keeping the protest going, hoping that common sense will prevail when Carwyn deems it time to inform us of his decision.
Once announced, then consider the next move.

At Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:00:00 PM, Anonymous Merv said...

Hi Blodwen,

Moles tell me it will be Friday at noon.Don't look for anything too clear cut they are going to try and swing this a bit longer.
My own opinion is that he will just go for it this week and make a full decision.

At Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:51:00 AM, Anonymous The wheezer said...

Any chance your moles can tell us who gave the nod to MWH to start tipping when they did?

At Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:33:00 AM, Anonymous merv said...

Hi Wheezer,

Wrexham Planning Dept.


At Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:01:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


After reading the 30 comments or so, I realised that both sides have some valid points.
Obviously if Carwyn decides to keep the site open for whatever reason, then the course of action will have to change.
Merv's point of direct action is probabbly the next step. If we all hold hands outside the landfill that's going to get us nowhere. When the two employees were stuck on the road because they were blocked in by the protesters, (When the Granada news crew were there) they honestly didn't know what to do. I beleive the correct term is like a rabbit in the headlights.

At Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:19:00 PM, Anonymous The wheezer said...

Hi Merv,
Can you put a name or date to that?

At Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:55:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

carl davis said
'If I was him I'd be more worried about getting cancer from all that unknown rubbish than a few angry protesters.'
Worried? Who said a group of O.A.P.s with whistles were worrying me?
I may get pi..ed off with the way some have decided to slander some of the innocent people just doing their job. Don't they have a bus pass that would take them free to Pen-Y-Bont?
Just because you do not know what is being tipped does not make the stuff unknown.
If I thought that anything dangerous was being tipped I would let you know but as I have said hazardous waste goes to Skem. Have you seen any vehicles displaying an orange square? I don't think so. You are as much at risk wheeling you bin out for collection to be tipped at Pen-Y-Bont, for now.

At Friday, October 27, 2006 11:32:00 AM, Anonymous watcherandthetower said...

Hi JohnDoe,

You are obviously blissfully unaware of the consequences of landfill,obviously a required prerequisite for undertaking such a stupid job in the first place.

Denegration of people because they are O.A.P's also gives us an insight into what kind of a shallow character you are.

Keep it up mate,Mersey Waste need an endless supply of morons.
The protestors outside the gate may well be shouting at you,but the directors of Mersey Waste are just laughing at you.


At Friday, October 27, 2006 12:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The rubbish you wallow in all day is staring to affect your eyes. I am a protester and I am far from an OAP! You say that the waste is no more dangerous than what is contained in a household bin, they told people cutting asbestos it was safe not very long ago…… wake up!!!

At Friday, October 27, 2006 2:54:00 PM, Anonymous Carl Davies said...

Don't worry John Doe, that's an apt name for someone who will probably never make it to being the thing you despise most, an OAP.
Maybe you're on a secret suicide mission to avoid getting old? You obviously have no respect for those older and wiser than you.
Just because you don't know what you're carrying and dumping doesn't make you safe does it? Come on lad, wake up to what you're being asked to do.

At Friday, October 27, 2006 5:49:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

I know what I am carrying and dumping. It will no more affect my health than yours. That is my point. Waste is controlled more than ever now. My job is stupid is it? I shall inform the bin men who collect in your area that you think they are stupid. I have nothing against O.A.P.s and respect those who deserve it. Hypocrites and liars are not worthy of respect in my book.
I'll repeat my earlier questions.
Why have you not been protesting at Pen-Y-Bont, Gowy, Rosset, TG group or Brookhill?
Are you still putting out your bin for collection?
Where do you work and what happens to the waste created there?
I think the most important question must be where have you all been all week? I thought the protests were being stepped up not wound down.
If think I have a better unstanding of landfill than any of you. Not because of my job or my experience with waste disposal.
I must be the wiser person because quite simply, like many others I have talked to who knew what was going to happen 10 years ago so moved house, I AM NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO LIVE BY NOT ONE BUT TWO.

At Friday, October 27, 2006 6:10:00 PM, Anonymous watcherandthetower said...

HI John,

Strange indeed! on the one hand you say everything is ok in the world of landfill,then you tell us how clever you are moving away form one.
Surely if you beleived what you said about landfil then living near to one would be no problem to a genius like yourself,and you would be able to walk to work.
All those strange theatrical laughs at the end of your message makes me wonder about your sanity,perhaps all the fumes are getting to you already.


At Friday, October 27, 2006 7:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear John
You really are making a fool of yourself! We all accept you need to make money; we all do, but please open your eyes to what you are involved in. Do not attack people for trying to protect their environment it is you and your employer that are in the wrong. Burying our waste in holes is primitive you must see that. It is not our fault you did not listen to the teachers in school and ended up working in a tip, you could consider night school.

At Friday, October 27, 2006 8:21:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

Still the questions go unanswered by the hypocrites.
Ladies and gentlemen. I bid you farewell as you are just like your protests. A lost cause.

At Friday, October 27, 2006 8:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear John

Just got home? The intelligent people with good jobs have been home for hours and are enjoying a glass of red laughing at your ridiculous comments.

At Friday, October 27, 2006 8:57:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


When you are the same age as the OAP’s you delight in ridiculing I bet the crooks you work for have great pension scheme......not lol

At Friday, October 27, 2006 9:09:00 PM, Anonymous YoungProtestor said...

Does anyone know when we will learn the decision of Carwyn Jones?

At Friday, October 27, 2006 10:59:00 PM, Anonymous AnOldie said...


I might be unfortunate enough to live near landfill mate but that is not my choice. You claim to be bright enough to have moved away but you are daft enough to want to spend your days knee deep in other people's Sunday dinner and dirty nappies. I'm glad you've still got your sense of humour though, as I'm sure in the hot summer you and all your family are going to need it.

At Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:58:00 PM, Anonymous Carl Davies said...

To John Doe

You said

'just because you do not know whats being tipped doesnt make the stuff unknown.'

Er.....I think it IS unknown if you dont know what it is.

Did you say that in your interview? I can see why you were the right person for the job. I hope you're not responsible for making sure paperwork is in order?

At Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:11:00 PM, Anonymous deepgreensea said...

Anybody remember what Merv said earlier this week about Carwyn's decision?

"Moles tell me it will be Friday at noon. My own opinion is that he will just go for it this week and make a full decision.

Spot on as usual Merv.

At Friday, November 17, 2006 10:49:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never said that I had moved away. I said I had talked to people who had moved.
The company that I work for has an excellent pension package as well as share options and many other benefits.
I have never said that I was for landfill but with little market for recycled products and nobody taking up the idea what do we do in the mean time?
I said because YOU don't know what is being tipped does not make it unknown. We know what is being tipped.
I usually work 8am till around 4pm with an hour at home for lunch. So what time do you hit the plonk then?

At Friday, November 17, 2006 11:25:00 PM, Blogger dafad ddu said...

Interesting comment from John Doe
The problem with saying there's little market for recycling is that he assumes the free market reigns. As Ken Livingstone's £25 charge on "Chelsea tractors" has shown, there are ways of regulating the market. That's what the landfill tax is all about.
Before too long, it will be too expensive for councils to landfill. They will have to re-use and recycle.
With respect, John Doe, there is stuff being tipped that is not household waste. We have the pictures to prove it.
If you know it's being tipped, you're complicit in illegality.

At Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The people who run this site are bigots. They delete posts that disagree with their point of view.


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