Councillors to investigate site
Councillors Dave Bithell and Mark Pritchard are to investigate the Hafod site after complaints from local residents. They demanded access to the site from Murky Waste Holdings to check up on the landfilling amid concerns that the company is not sticking to planning guidelines.
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posted by hafod @ 3:33 PM
48 comments
48 Comments:
Good, lets look at why the site is not getting covered at a weekend. Does the wheelwash work and why are those spunges coming onto the road.
Do we know whether Carwyn Jones has been to visit the site yet? Maybe the councillors could ask Murkey Waste.
How come Dave Bithell only turns up there when there is a photo opportunity.
How fascile the two councillors demanding to see the site.It would be far more productive if they demanded an investigation into the way Wrexham council plannimg department is run,and also why the envoronment agency and the countryside council for Wales has rolled over for Mersy waste.
whats your agenda Merv Mate, how many times have you been at the gate protesting? not once I bet.
How come Dave Bithell only turns up there when there is a photo opportunity.
Are u psychic Merv - how do you know theres going to be photographers there?!
Dave Bithell's my councillor. I didn't vote for him because I've always been Labour but since he got elected he's done stuff for this village, he's stood up and been counted and more than anything he's listend to the people. So when he says he's going to look at our concerns about the Hafod I'm happy with that. If he hadnt listened i spose youd be the first on his case - "Dave Bithell doesnt listen to his constituents, he won't investigate the site blah blah lah". Put a new record on Merv, this one's cracked.
Merv makes me laff - so busy slagging off Dave Bithell but he's said nothing about Colbourne, the absentee councillor. Could it be that Merv has got a secret agenda?
Yeh, your a disgrace Merv
Merv said: "It would be far more productive if they demanded an investigation into the way Wrexham council planning department is run,and also why the environment agency and the countryside council for Wales has rolled over for Mersey waste."
Merv is absolutely right on this one. Go for it Dave'n'Mark!
Hi,
Thanks for your kind replies.
Dave Bithell got onto the council on the Forward Wales ticket and then promptly dropped them and became independent,so much for scruples.
There is one thing you will not find Bithell doing and that is upsetting the council bandwagon or even attempting to scratch below the surface to find out what really goes on there.
He knows a quick stroll around the site will be a good opportunity for a photoshoot,but he also knows that it will amount to absolutely nothing.
The hafod is a radical problem and it requires radical solutions,at the head of this list is a proper investigation of the Wrexham Planning Department,The Environment Agency,and the Countryside Council for Wales.
You aint going to get Bithell disturbing those nests of worms,and you definately wont get Nick Colbourne doing it either,and that accusation can be levelled at most of the politicians who have pretended to be concerned about hafod.
Merv
Does John Doe work at Hafod? He knows a lot about wheels.Does the highway get cleaned and road swept all the way from Murkyside? If I was him I'd be more worried about getting cancer from all that unknown rubbish than a few angry protesters.
A case of vintage sour grapes from Merv! I guess we'll find out Merv's true identity if and when he stands against Dave Bithell in May 2008 ;-)
Tell us Merv, what should be specifically investigated at Wxm Planning Dept? The Environment Agency? The Countryside Council for Wales?
Have you initiated these investigations? Have you made Freedom of Information inquiries to get at the facts? Have you raised these concerns with the action group?
Merv, what a plonker!
You spend half your time slagging off every politician who've ever drawn breath and now you call for an investigation into quangos.
So who do you suggest runs this investigation? Who do you trust? Oh, I know, get the pig to do it.
Blimey Merv, What's Dave Bithell done to upset you?
He's been great round Johnstown. I think he is the best councillor ever, my mum thinks so too.
Hi,
Dave Bithell has done nothing to me and he is an OK bloke,but if you think he is gonna get anything shifted then you are really quite disillusioned.
Hafod,
My anwer to your question is yes I have done a great deal of work investigating the histories of the various agencies involved.
Maurice
Since when have you had faith in politicians,the last time I spoke to you,you were an anarchist...how age changes us :)
The pig certainly is a vaible alternative to the shower of local and national politicians we have representing us!!
Merv
If you've done your own investigations, please share it with the rest of us activists. What's the big secret?
You still haven't answered my questions about what specifically you'd like investigating. If you have information re these organisations, we should all be involved in investigating them.
Merv,
I think it's memory that age has affect on: I am a socialist and always have been.
What Hafod shows us is the total lack of democratic accountability in society at present. It's no surprise that 2 of the 3 things you want an enquiry into are quangos. Like you, I don't have much faith in our political leadership but not all politicians are bad and if we're going to win this fight we're going to need the help of people like Dave Bithell, Mark Pritchard, Janet Ryder etc.
Hafod,
All I can say to you is that this protest is lost.The most we can hope for is to expose the local and national politicians for what they really are.
The energies of the protest group are wasted on politicians.
Maurice.
Why do you think we "need" politicians.It is the politicians who have brought about the circumstances that have created the need for protest in the first place.I can't see any of that shower you mentiones changing anything.
Merv
It seems to me Merv, that you want Hafod to fail so that you can blame all politicians.
Let's make one thing clear, it's not ALL politicians that have caused this problem. John Redwood started this and the dirty dozen on the council have struck the last blow. Even if Carwyn Jones lets tipping continue we still have the option of taking the fight to Europe. If we can show that Murkeywaste have breached their license we may still be able to get the council to revoke at a later date. Remember 6 out of 16 councillors voted to revoke last time so dont write them ALL off.
Merv, do you engage your brain before typing?
"The energies of the protest group are wasted on politicians."
So putting pressure on councillors, AMs, MEPs and MPs is a waste of time when they have it within their power to change things. Nantygwyddon tip in the Rhondda was closed by a political decision. Hafod is being landfilled as we speak because of a political decision by Mersey councillors to allow it to happen. It can be closed by a political decision.
It can also be closed by people power, which forces politicians to change their views (usually in order to save their own skins).
Yet we have no alternatives being offered by you, just the usual negative attacks.
All I can say to you is that this protest is lost.
With friends like this who needs enemies? If the protest is lost, doubting Thomases like you will have contributed to it. No doubt, if the protest succeeds, you'll be the first to claim victory.
Hi Maurice,
I certainly don't want Hafod to fail.All I am saying is that it will fail,partly due to politicians and partly due to the softly softly approach of the protest itself.
Take your fight to europe and you are taking it to the grandaddy of all political pits.Europe is a beaurcratic hell functioning mostly to serve those who work the operation and the multinationals who totally control it.
I think you can also forget about hoping to spot site violations by Mersey Watse.The site itself is a violation but one that is fully sanctioned by the law and rubber stamped by all those politicians you keep referring to.
The only way to close the site is through direct action.If this did happen then you wouldn't see the politicians arsses for dust,and that includes Plaid.
Merv
Hi Hafod,
Nothing like a bit of faith...what i am saying is that there is no point in having faith in OUR politicians,there are politicians in this country who DO make a difference unfortunatly none of them reside in the wrexham area.
Merv
Didn't see your arse on the ground when Plaid members and others were lying in front/underneath lorries... too busy "investigating the planning department" perhaps.
I know who Merv is. If I didn't, I'd swear he was being paid by Mersey Waste to distract us from the real campaign.
there is no point in having faith in OUR politicians,there are politicians in this country who DO make a difference unfortunatly none of them reside in the wrexham area.
Who would they be? Perhaps we can get them to come to a public meeting and share their wisdom?
Perhaps you'd like to address the public meeting and tell us what you've found out in your investigations of the planning dept and what we (or our councillors) should focus on. You've still not answered my questions Merv.
When they visit the site, will they take a conservation expert with them to look at how the newts are doing?
I hope they take photos and do a report about what is there. How will it affect us, and will the seagulls eat the newts? I have noticed rats lately, near flood drains how many more will come because of this tip?
I am glad they are going there and I hope they help to shut it down.
I think a lot of what I have said here is what a lot of the people are thinking,and that is including people on the morning protest.
Also a lot of people are beginning to think that direct action is the only way.
As I have said if you adopt this you will not see your politicians for dust.
Merv
Why won't you answer any questions I put to you Merv? You seem to be setting yourself up as a spokesman for the morning protests. Good on you. But please be ready to answer genuine questions and also tell us what kind of direct action you have in mind.
Hi Hafod,
This is a daft question but are you a member of the protest group and have you got a real name?
Merv
I have been protesting at the gate and other aspects of the campaign. I'm sorry I couldn't attend last Monday's informal meeting. The action group know my name but I will answer to "Hafod" for the purposes of this blog.
Now, any chance of you answering my questions?
Merv,
Direct action does have its place but if you think you can close this site down through direct action you're wrong. The best direct action can achieve is publicity and if we're not careful that publicity will be bad publicity.
What direct action do you propose?
Hi Blodwen,
Moles tell me it will be Friday at noon.Don't look for anything too clear cut they are going to try and swing this a bit longer.
My own opinion is that he will just go for it this week and make a full decision.
Merv
Merv,
Any chance your moles can tell us who gave the nod to MWH to start tipping when they did?
Hi Wheezer,
Wrexham Planning Dept.
Merv
Hi,
After reading the 30 comments or so, I realised that both sides have some valid points.
Obviously if Carwyn decides to keep the site open for whatever reason, then the course of action will have to change.
Merv's point of direct action is probabbly the next step. If we all hold hands outside the landfill that's going to get us nowhere. When the two employees were stuck on the road because they were blocked in by the protesters, (When the Granada news crew were there) they honestly didn't know what to do. I beleive the correct term is like a rabbit in the headlights.
Hi Merv,
Can you put a name or date to that?
Hi JohnDoe,
You are obviously blissfully unaware of the consequences of landfill,obviously a required prerequisite for undertaking such a stupid job in the first place.
Denegration of people because they are O.A.P's also gives us an insight into what kind of a shallow character you are.
Keep it up mate,Mersey Waste need an endless supply of morons.
The protestors outside the gate may well be shouting at you,but the directors of Mersey Waste are just laughing at you.
watcherandthetower
Johndoe
The rubbish you wallow in all day is staring to affect your eyes. I am a protester and I am far from an OAP! You say that the waste is no more dangerous than what is contained in a household bin, they told people cutting asbestos it was safe not very long ago…… wake up!!!
Don't worry John Doe, that's an apt name for someone who will probably never make it to being the thing you despise most, an OAP.
Maybe you're on a secret suicide mission to avoid getting old? You obviously have no respect for those older and wiser than you.
Just because you don't know what you're carrying and dumping doesn't make you safe does it? Come on lad, wake up to what you're being asked to do.
HI John,
Strange indeed! on the one hand you say everything is ok in the world of landfill,then you tell us how clever you are moving away form one.
Surely if you beleived what you said about landfil then living near to one would be no problem to a genius like yourself,and you would be able to walk to work.
All those strange theatrical laughs at the end of your message makes me wonder about your sanity,perhaps all the fumes are getting to you already.
Watcher
Dear John
You really are making a fool of yourself! We all accept you need to make money; we all do, but please open your eyes to what you are involved in. Do not attack people for trying to protect their environment it is you and your employer that are in the wrong. Burying our waste in holes is primitive you must see that. It is not our fault you did not listen to the teachers in school and ended up working in a tip, you could consider night school.
Dear John
Just got home? The intelligent people with good jobs have been home for hours and are enjoying a glass of red laughing at your ridiculous comments.
John
When you are the same age as the OAP’s you delight in ridiculing I bet the crooks you work for have great pension scheme......not lol
Hi
Does anyone know when we will learn the decision of Carwyn Jones?
John,
I might be unfortunate enough to live near landfill mate but that is not my choice. You claim to be bright enough to have moved away but you are daft enough to want to spend your days knee deep in other people's Sunday dinner and dirty nappies. I'm glad you've still got your sense of humour though, as I'm sure in the hot summer you and all your family are going to need it.
To John Doe
You said
'just because you do not know whats being tipped doesnt make the stuff unknown.'
Er.....I think it IS unknown if you dont know what it is.
Did you say that in your interview? I can see why you were the right person for the job. I hope you're not responsible for making sure paperwork is in order?
Anybody remember what Merv said earlier this week about Carwyn's decision?
"Moles tell me it will be Friday at noon. My own opinion is that he will just go for it this week and make a full decision.
Merv"
Spot on as usual Merv.
I never said that I had moved away. I said I had talked to people who had moved.
The company that I work for has an excellent pension package as well as share options and many other benefits.
I have never said that I was for landfill but with little market for recycled products and nobody taking up the idea what do we do in the mean time?
I said because YOU don't know what is being tipped does not make it unknown. We know what is being tipped.
I usually work 8am till around 4pm with an hour at home for lunch. So what time do you hit the plonk then?
Interesting comment from John Doe
The problem with saying there's little market for recycling is that he assumes the free market reigns. As Ken Livingstone's £25 charge on "Chelsea tractors" has shown, there are ways of regulating the market. That's what the landfill tax is all about.
Before too long, it will be too expensive for councils to landfill. They will have to re-use and recycle.
With respect, John Doe, there is stuff being tipped that is not household waste. We have the pictures to prove it.
If you know it's being tipped, you're complicit in illegality.
The people who run this site are bigots. They delete posts that disagree with their point of view.
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