Friday, November 17, 2006

Mersey Waste evade protesters' questions

A dozen Hafod campaigners went to the Mersey Waste Disposal Authority's special meeting in Liverpool this afternoon. Rarely has such a boring meeting been conducted in such a hot room!

The main item for debate was whether to press ahead with a waste recovery centre in Liverpool and whether this should be one that took separated glass and paper - an appalling level of complacency and ignorance from a body that's meant to be leading the way on waste disposal.

The Hafod campaigners asked six questions and got answers to just one - confirmation that the site does not have a holding bay as required by its licence.

Other questions were answered with waffle and bluster amid growing frustration from the campigners.

The final question from Barrie Price of Ruabon got the same response and he then explained how much the Hafod landfill was costing Merseyside taxpayers - £1,000 per lorry or £240,000 a week to tip their rubbish while the MWDA debated whether to start separating glass from paper (apparently it's not "cost effective").

The chairman was just about to kick that into the long grass when one of the other councillors showed signs of life - the staggering figures were of interest to him and other board members. Maybe if they can't be swayed by the environmental and health arguments, they might be swayed by the thought of saving some money by recycling and re-using.


At Friday, November 17, 2006 8:44:00 PM, Blogger Bren said...

Mmm, the way to people's consciences is through their pockets, eh?

Did Berni Turner have anything to say for herself?

At Friday, November 17, 2006 10:33:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How did Barry get to that figure?

At Friday, November 17, 2006 11:18:00 PM, Blogger dafad ddu said...

Berni Turner said nothing during the meeting.

The figures have been quoted
elsewhere on this site

At Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:04:00 PM, Blogger Blodwen Fleer said...

Why have MWH been passed as safe, in compliance, not a health problem etc when they haven't even got a holding bay?

Did MWH imply this was to change? Surely Carwyn would have been aware of this had he got out of the car?

At Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:42:00 PM, Anonymous carl davies said...

Do people in Merseyside know how much they are paying in council tax for this shambles of a waste management strategy?

At Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a couple of things.

The figures quoted must be based on guess work. You are miles out.

What are you on about? Holding area?
If you mean segregation area, the site has one. If you ask the right questions you might get answers.


At Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:15:00 PM, Anonymous dafydd said...

These are the figures quoted by a recycling expert:

£11 per ton transport costs and £35-40 per ton gate fees. The 20-ton trucks they're bringing to the Hafod will be costing at least £1,000 for Liverpool's council. Forty trucks a day = £40,000 times six working days = £240,000 a week

Of course, John Doe with his inside knowledge will know better, so tell us how much it's costing per truck John.

The question was whether there was a "holding bay" on site, to take gas bottles, tyres and other materials that should not be landfilled. The MWDA board's answer was "no, we don't have one."
Is the segregation area for this purpose?

At Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:35:00 PM, Anonymous watcherandthetower said...

Hi JD,

The so called professionals of Wrexham and Liverpool council have got so many things wrong including trying to con the people of Liverpool that landfill is cheaper than positive attempts to recycle.

You seem to think that the Carwyn decision is the end of the matter but nothing could be further from the truth.

We are in the process of setting up one of the most powerful council monitoring groups Wrexham council has ever seen.We are in the process of undertaking a massive retrospective of Wrexham Planning Departments decision not only the Hafod project but for other projects that have blighted the town in recent years.

This campaign has culminated in the realisation that members of the public are not being served properly by the people we voted in to represent us.

Watch this space.


At Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:56:00 PM, Anonymous My Arse said...

JD, or Stig of the dump,

If you ask the right questions you might get answers.

What's it like to scab on your own community?

At Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am quite prepared to wait a couple of years, I will not forget the traitors. Watch your backs, it will happen to you or your families when they least expect it.

At Monday, November 20, 2006 12:33:00 PM, Anonymous carl davies said...

What kind of profits are MWH making if they can afford 12m+ a year to dump on us?

At Monday, November 20, 2006 7:19:00 PM, Anonymous my arse said...

Just seen karen Sinclairs letter in the Leader, Monday, on the same day she's on the local radio.
Tell me she isn't in it for herself?
She reckons she's angry about Hafod!!!
Well, you should have got of that arse and done something with your bloody thick file then love- instead of looking like a sad old heifer at market.

If you are so intrested in a train to London sign the bloody paper to say so, instead of praising others from other partys for doing it, when you can't be bothered to shift that fat arse to pick up a pen.

At Monday, November 20, 2006 9:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I may be a scab in your eyes but i not a hypocrite.
What is it that we should be expecting in a year or two annon?


At Monday, November 20, 2006 9:21:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


The way I see it is if your group got together and aproached this from a totally different angle everybody would be happy.
If the protest is to aim for 100% recycling and you say it is a viable option, why not pool resorces and open your own facility. You say it would be cost effective so you should be able to get a return on your investment. I am just an uneducated shit kicker (according to some) so you educated lot must be able to make it work. I am sure you would have the backing of Wrexham and Liverpool councils if you came up with a way of handling their waste.
I would guess that grants would be available to help you get started. The result being Hafod would close being none profitable.
A bit of hard work and according to you the whole world would be better off and so would you bank accounts.
It would take less effort than protesting against landfill if it worked, wouldn't it?


At Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:12:00 AM, Anonymous watcherandthetower said...

Hi Jd,

From one fellow shit kicker to another :)
The whole point of the protest is because the policy of the local authorities in both Wrexham and Liverpool is to be dependent on landfill.
The record of both local authorities and national government on re-cycling in particular and environmental issues in general is bordering on criminal negligence.

The protest was launched because both local Authorities(this includes many Wrexham councillors but not all of them) and local politicians (Sinclair and Martyn Jones in particular)have to date simply carried out the dictates of Central government and the assembly.
Sinclair and Jones are worried about their votes and not the Hafod issue.
Sinclair more than Jones because she is up for re-election next May and although she hasn't pulled the wool over the protestors eyes she is going flat out to pull the wool over the eyes of the rest of the public.
So any attempt at the group trying to set up an alternative waste strategy would meet with profound and intensive opposition from:
A)Local governemnt officers who are guilty of cocking this whole thing up,and are trying to hide their misdemeanors behind a ferocious and unhelpful attitude to the protest groups questionings

B)Local councillors who have not had either the inclination or ability to look into the whole issue of alternative methods of waste disposal.

C)Local politicians Sinclair and Jones who have done nothing on a practical level to alter the course of events concerning the hafod issue.
As for set-up grants...the assembly is out.Everywhere you look there are large posters encouraging people to set up on their own,but behind the glossy facade there is a nest of highly paid quango's getting paid mega-bucks just to "advise" the hopefuls on how to run a business.
Try asking them for money and it takes three representatives from the WDA(now gobbled up by the assembly) to refuse you.
The first to tell you that you dont qualify for a grant,the second to stress the point and the third to tell you to fuck off.

Nothing is simple,but the people we cannot trust are those that get voted in every few years on the back of a medievil voting system.


At Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:28:00 AM, Anonymous watcherandthetower said...

Hi all,

I see Karen Sinclair had a letter in the Leader yesterday telling of her profound dissapointment over the Carwyn Jones decision and pledging her continued support for the protest.
Well here's one for you Karen,how about standing up in public and calling your Labour chum Carwyn Jones a blatant liar.Because that is exactly what he is.He never visited the landfill site and if he did it would have been a driving past job.
He told everyone that he entered the site and walked round unhindered.These are his own published words!!!
But according to Mersey Waste the invisible mr Jones has NEVER entered the site.
The New Labour liar is sticking to the New labour tradition then compounded his lies by stating in the Assembly what he had already published in the written word.

So there's one for you Karen,by way of confirming your commitment to the protest you can call for carwyn jones's resignation on the ground that he like a little school boy, told lies to get his own way and like a little school boy he has been caught telling lies.



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