Campaigning to stop five Liverpool councils (or anyone else, including Wrexham) dumping their waste in Hafod Quarry for the next generation. Landfilling at Hafod is not acceptable, the tip is right next to houses and MWH is relying on obsolete planning permission. Read on... N.B. THE MODERATORS OF THIS BLOG ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INSULTS TO POLITICIANS CONTAINED IN THE COMMENTS SECTION (unless they're authored by Hafod or Bren of course!)
Is this really how a civilised city disposes of its waste - by dumping it, tonnes at a time, fifty miles away and just a few metres from people’s houses and our children's school?
And then they have the front to bid for, win and accept the title 'European Capital of Culture'!
posted by HafodBlogger @ 10:22 PM
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115 Comments:
To Liverpool city councillors.
What have you done with the £6m of taxpayers money you were given to establish a recycling scheme?
To simon wren.
MWH have answered this question some time ago when some of us attended a meeting in Liverpool.
Check out the new state of the art recycling plant planned for Sefton.
So it would appear that Liverpool are in a similar position to Wrexham now. While the new facility is being constructed landfill remains the only viable option. Not forgetting that Hafod is used by North Wales people too.
Just not good enough, both Wrexham (note the Dirty Dozen) and Liverpool have dragged their council feet for far too long and all we have had is one excuse after another.
The common factor is that we have nothing more than useless councillors who are only interested in their own self interest and do not attempt to address any issue that confronts them.
Where are their highly paid advisers who are also paid out of public funds?
Council tax continues to rise and the services depreciate.
you will have to forgive my husband as his concept of distance and size are well lets say abit to be desired, we all know hafod is more than afew meters from a house. still i may move to the tip and i may get to see him more, if you see him tell him to get home as the kids are asking where there dad is
Tut,tut more mistakes, whatever happened to Education,Education,Education?
Is she talking about her pet goats or her children?
The 3 r's ?
goat driving a black skoda ?
Simon Wren , i think they bought peter crouch with the 6m
What and live near a landfill , yeah ok do i get to own a whistle then.
Ah well, t'was good while it lasted! Four sensible posts now Dull and his mates, hic mate are back!
I get to take / collect kids from school EVERY day - when did YOU last take / collect yours?
Just had a count up - my kids do 14 out of school activities EVERY week - I take them to eleven of these. Have you EVER seen your kids swim?
We have been on four week long holidays already this year ... and nine weekends. I know, you had a Monday off about two weeks ago but everybody has that, its a Bank Holiday!
I won't bore you with details of Mrs Blogger but lets just say she's happy, VERY happy!
Home life good, business good!
But I know you are better than me, you drive your little truck from 6.30am until teatime, and again on a Saturday morning. I can't compete with you, you are so lucky, I wish I was you!
Wanna Swap?
'do i get to own a whistle then'
Yeah, you can do but there is only one small problem, you'll never have any time off to blow it!
goat driving a black skoda ?
Wrong, again! Indeed EVERY time!
He with the Skoda isn't about tonight!
I notice that the lame brains are at it again referring to children as goats.
Whatever happened to society and what must the educated children think of their elders referring to them as animals?
I wonder if they look at this site and would they consider entering a sensible comment rather than the nonsense that appears.
Well said, Watchman.
It was all looking very promising tonight until Dull started masquerading as my misses, the cheek!
And it wasn't me posting as your misses.
UNHAPPY,SUICIDAL PROTESTOR!!!
If all that makes you so unhappy then give it up. We are all sick of hearing about it anyway. It would be no sad loss!
The comments by Anonymous must be pretty base for them to be removed by whoever the Administrator is!
The comments are removed because they are either too critical and truthfull or too factual.
I still haven't noticed Edward Woodward on the gate.
Have you EVER seen your kids swim?
More threats?
If you are such a dedicated and wonderfull dad why didn't you move house when planning was granted?
Even though people I know living on Nant Park and Bangor Road say the landfill makes no impact on them you seem so bothered by it.
Maybe he's not so self centered as to only consider his own kids. Others of us have none but it doesn't stop us from considering other people or their families or future generations. Take a deep breath next time you pass the tip and smell for yourself the impact it has.
All you lot consider is boredom and house prices. get a different hobby. Try joining the protest against having child abusers two bus stops away.
Have you EVER seen your kids swim?
More threats?
Threats? You are surely having a laugh? You clearly have read this completely out of context! (on second thoughts, can you read!)
I don't care if you are the most committed anti Hafod protester or wearing your favourite 'I Love Landfill' T shirt, only a fool would draw your conclusion from the post.
You're a fool!
No i am not Howey.
Stop editing my comments.
ANONYMOUS 2.28pm
Haven't seen your face on the protest there!
Neither have I seen your face two stops away protesting about the drug abusers leaving their filthy S*** around.
Ain't no hobby, it's known as caring for the community!
No i am not Howey.
Stop editing my comments.
WRONG 1: Howey (How affectionate, he'll like that!) is probably supping red wine overlooking the sea as we speak
WRONG 2: Nobody has ever edited your comments, they've been deleted because they are truly offensive and nobody wants to read them!
Wrong yet again Anonymous, Edward Woodward (alias The Equaliser) has never visited the site but has studied the issue from afar.
He has read the many strange comments regarding half human goats and what appear to be their children also refereed to as goats.
Some very strange people visit this site.
Ain't no hobby, it's known as caring for the community!
I think you mean care in the community
Anonymous 8.14pm.
In GENERAL IT'S KNOWN AS CARING FOR MANKIND!
Whether it be in the community, for the community or whatever.
I know what I mean. Do you know different?
This blogs comments make absolutely no sense at all now you are editing and deleting.
Not that you made any sense before but all it seems to be now is hide and seek.
So see you Tuesday.
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Whoever you are!
It would appear to me as someone who has just scanned your Blogspot for the first time that the decision to edit and delete comments has been taken for just cause.
A great deal of the entries appear to have been made either by mischief makers or very ignorant people who know nothing at all about the subject in question.
either by mischief makers or very ignorant people who know nothing at all about the subject in question.
Spot on Ms. Webb. That is an acurate description of the protest.
Christina Webb talks a lot of sense; thank you!.
An irreversible decision has been taken to remove comments that are personal and / or do not relate to Hafod Quarry Landfill Site / Waste Management in general.
You are free to make generic points about the protest groups, the wider anti Hafod campaign but not about individuals within the group.
Similarly, we will continue to post about Hafod, clay on the road, discharges into the brook, the sweeper causing chaos etc but not specifically about identifiable individuals.
Our concerns about individuals will from now on be made to their relevant line managers and / or the Regulatory Authorities in general. You are free to do the same.
If those of you who work in the waste Industry, or for whatever reason support Land Filling at Hafod Quarry, want to continue to post on that basis we will be happy to receive and answer your blogs, otherwise save your time as your posts will be deleted!
HAPPY BLOGGING!
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Don't understand question (and by the way its reckless not recless)
Depends on the circumstances!
Also, what is responsability?
Is it the same as responsibility?
Well, I'm just asking!
When you started making bogus reports about drivers you used registration numbers didn't you? Who do you think the report affects most? The driver.
Probably about fifty - sixty different drivers / vehicles use the site each week. To my knowledge we have reported only around six / seven for (allegedly) dropping sponges, not being washed, smoking in the cab, abusive hand signals from the cab etc.
How do you think we chose the lucky six / seven? Via some form of Hafod Environmental Group lottery?
No mate it’s simple, when you leave the site and drop frag or clay on the road we will report you, if you put two fingers and mouth expletives at pensioners peacefully protesting we will report you. Do your jobs and behave yourselves, like the vast majority of drivers taking the MWH 30 Pieces of Silver and you will never have a problem with us!
Its not rocket science really is it!
There is nothing directed at any one person there. My point is relevant so why keep deleting it?
You say, again and again (but it will always be deleted as it is complete nonsense) that ...
Neither is having a big bag of dry sponge to throw behind the vehicles.
(the weighbridge told us. That is my point. I know that false claims are being made which has been proved by CCTV
Then I suggest my friend that you take your evidence to the regulatory authorities and be a pain in the a*** until they take you seriously! WCBC et al will never willingly take action against MWH or anyone else that uses Hafod Landfill; if you had a single piece of CCTV footage which showed what you are claiming, WCBC would be delighted to take no action and would be very unlikely to instigate the proceeding they are about to!
So why haven’t you done it? It’s simple – because there is no big bag of sponges, only the vehicles themselves have thrown stuff out and you are talking nonsense!
If you’re not, and we are, then put you money where your mouth is ... or shut up!
Are you having a think?
(or your tea!)
Go on then, put it back and I'll leave it there!
Then EVERYBODY can see what nonsense you are talking and read the post above in context - perhaps then you'll tell us why you don't take your EVIDENCE to WCBC as we did!
And another thing - if, and its a big if, this big bag of sponges exists where exactly did we get them from?
Have we been in the dead of night, over an eight foot barbed wire topped fence to gather it from the tipping area? Or was it floating passed me in the bath?
These type of sponges ONLY come from one place - you might try and pin the clay on the road on Dennis but are you saying they use sponges too?
I think you're talking what you carry mate but if you're not WCBC will be only too delighted to take no action against MWH!
It does not matter how much you swap my comments around. I have saved the pages as I post them
A wise person is the one who shuts up first!
Thanks Nancy,
I'll suggest that to the wife (and her mother!)
Anonymous said...
How ever it is spelt it is obvious you don't know what it means.
So that wasn't personal?
What you are really saying is it is okay for you to give us stick but you will delete
any comments that show you for what you really are. Bullies and hypocrits with
spell check.
When you started making bogus reports about drivers you used registration numbers
didn't you? Who do you think the report affects most? The driver. How personal
can you get?
You have slagged off councillors and staff, police, E.A., the Freemasons etc. Even
a chippy owner. Do you still wonder why we are giving individuals abuse? I doubt
Mrs Smout would be seen swerving around on the A483.
Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:11:00 PM
Anonymous said...
27 May 2007Neither is having a big bag of dry sponge to throw behind the vehicles.
(the weighbridge told us)
That is my point. I know that false claims are being made which has been proved by CCTV. That is fact and is definately personal.
You can edit all you want but I am saving my comments as I post them or if they are twisted again I can show what I have really written and
encourage others to do the same
Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:47:00 PM
I'm with Nancy!
What are the facts Anonymous 12.59 P M
May 28th?
1. Drivers did use mobile phones, smoke whilst driving and exceed the speed limit.
2. Some councillors in W C B C are as straight as a banana i.e the Dirty Dozen.
3. Members of the council staff were far from impartial when they assisted a councillor in a corrupt act which involved public expenditure.
4. When M W H commenced dumping refuse in August 2006 the police were more concerned about the waste operation and charging protesters than ensuring that
M W H employees observed the R T A.
5. The E A have to be informed about a breach of regulations, if they were not informed no action would be taken.
What are they being paid for?
6. It has been a known fact for decades that there are active freemasons in the council, councillors are there to represent the public not some secret organisation that has dubious connections.
7. As for the chippy owner you refer to,
it seems that you are the only one who is unaware of his activities.
So next time you decide to enter comments please check on the facts first.
Well said Watchman,
Love from Nancy & Anon!
Watchman, still no tower?
1. Drivers speeding. What was the measuring device used to record their speed? I have tried and tried but to get over 40mph on the run down Bangor road off the A483 and make the bend is not possible in an LGV. Unless it has a jet engine and parachute fitted. On the A483 every LGV would not get faster than 53mph as any vehicle made after 1987 is limited.
Mobile phones and smoking have nothing at all to do with Hafod so why bring that up?
2 and 3, I don't know anything about Wrexham council or the people who work there but to make allegations like that you must have proof or are more stupid than I give you credit for.
4 The police would be there to keep the peace so would act against agressive people.
5 The EA are probaly so sick of protest members crying wolf that taking up resorces chasing your fantasies is becoming a pain. That is not to say that every report is not looked into. I mean they have better things to do.
6. Not all the public agree with you.
7. I don't know this Eddie but if what you say is true (first time for everything) I think you are in trouble.
Facts checked.
I'm still with Nancy!
Watchman 8:59.00 PM May 28 facts are correct.
How can someone who lives outside the area comment on local knowledge and observations?
To the last anonymous subscriber:
I have no idea who these three people are, what I did confirm was that the comments entered by the person who uses the name of Watchman were correct and I stand by that statement.
I have given my name but for obvious reasons will not provide anonymous with my address.
Well Annie, if you were part of protest at any time since September you would know who they are.
QUISLING!
That is the word I was looking for. They are quislings and you don't want to be with them do you?
It has gone very quiet here. Must be BGA conference.
Derrater Schwein!
Found the mention of the list
Anonymous said...
Why are we wasting our time arguing with these idiots from MWH. Do as I am going to do, wait a year until this has all gone quiet then slowly do something nasty to each and everyone of them and their families, like they are doing to us with this landfill. A list of all who are connected is being populated. See you soon enough sad scousers. Revenge is a dish best served cold.......
Wednesday, December 20, 2006 6:06:00 PM
and....
Anonymous said...
Who mentioned a peaceful protest, we can start with MWH and the rest can follow, forty years of tipping gives us plenty of time. Traitors from Wrexham who want to tip there are no friends of ours...
Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:46:00 PM
Schmutzig derrater!
Ist das alle, die Sie jetzt sagen können, dass jeder weiß, was Sie sind?
I thought this blog was English or Welsh speaking.
Are you not aware that we are members of the E U little Englander.
Yeah. Worst luck.
Why complain, you have gained more grants from the membership than from your own government who spend your money on War, War,War.
'spend your money on War, War,War'
Tempting but I won't.
Here is a fact to discuss.
I was talking to somebody who has been in the recycling/waste industry for over 20 years, mainly dealing in paper. In this country we have such a mountain of reclaimed material that the paper mills have filled their storage and are rejecting any intake because of the expense of extra storage. So where is going?
China are taking as much as they can get from us and the rest of the western world. Why?
To burn for fuel to power their industrial revolution. If we cut our carbon emmitions to zero in this country for the next hundred years China and India would still cancel that out in a year.
Really what a suprise!
How then do you explain that before U P M at Shotton invested £6m in the building of a paper processing plant they required an undertaking from the local councils that they could guarantee to supply the company with paper.
The plant was built and is still in operation and that is where our waste paper is processed.
Hasta la victoria siempre!
Yes but but what about the surplus.
The paper mountain is still growing. A local firm is exporting containers full of paper because the UK market is becoming swamped.
Pero has perdido así que admitir y moverte encendido.
Que língua você gosta de tentar em seguida.
Самое забавное, большой грузоподъемности поездки всех сторон, поэтому лучше всего учиться нечетные слова здесь и там.
What happened to the expensive legal advice that everybody donated their hard earned for?
The legal advice is waiting to be sorted in Shotton paper.
First time on the blog for a while, going well i see,plent of debate. Keep up the good work Howard you will make a councillor yet.
Is that last contributor really Lord Lucas of Wrexham sometime in the future.
It will be granted to him for services rendered to his Unionist friends in the Conservative Labour Unionist party who have the Butcher's Apron as their symbol.
The main legal battle is yet to come Dull you keep driving shit about let Rob and us do the real battling! The pen is mightier than the sword my thick friend.
All day in the back garden drinking ice cold beers in the sun while you lot were in the hole spraying the fly blow; yet you shake your heads at us as if we are the sad ones. Swap places with you? I would rather not my friends.
Pen is mightier than the sword, well i guess it must be graham jones who taught you cos up to now all i see is hafod filling up quick so you are battling well.
Still if you stick around long enough you may have a say in what you want it to look like when it's full, if it was up to me i would drag it out another 5 years and then you would of wasted a life time standing outside a landfill blowing a whistle. what ambition you have
Not sad? You drive other peoples rubbish around and drop it in a hole where MWH tell you. Joking aside you must hate your job you have not settled for a career of this have you?
I wonder if i would be sad if i left your rubbish on your drive every week my new friend, still that may happen to you by what i hear from drivers at pen y bont.
Ambition cannot be achieved with your head up your arse or a chip on your shoulder, you are one of those my friend and i don't mean that in a nasty way just pity you
Well well. The BGA conference has ended then. It is so nice to see that you have come back with so much intellegent arguements.
The mention of the list, which you claimed I made up, is there but you skip round that. You must have bloody good vision to see the contrators spraying flies from your back garden. Or a bloody big periscope.
If we had educated civilised politicians instead of rip off merchants M W H would never have been permitted to tip their filth on our doorstep.
But what can you expect from pig but a grunt.
I think we covered this but you must be so full of education there is no room left for more information. MWH bought a landfill. Anybody could have bought it. BIFFA, Veolia, WRG or SITA could have opened it themselves. It could be sold and it would still be a landfill so to accuse MWH and council officials of corruption is just pointless. But you seem to think different so where is your proof.
Why can’t MWH, WAG, WCBC and the EAW realise the the reason Hafod attracts more complaints than any other Landfill is because of its proximity to housing.
Within a mile of the site there are over 5000 people living in four large housing estates. If the site was further away from homes there would be no complainants as people would not be affected by the flies, odour, dust and noise.
Everybody accepts the site would not get planning permission under current planning regulations. The regulations are in place because landfill sites located close to housing do cause major problems. WAG has the option of rejecting the modification order and letting MWH fill phase A&B and then close the site.
This is all MWH bought the company were aware that no further tipping would be allowed due to the SAC site so no compensation would be payable. The precious clay and minerals now discovered on the site would be available for years to come and could be taken off site as and when needed by Dennis Ruabon.
If the WAG rejects this course of action it is inevitable that their motives would be questioned, there is no sound reason to allow MWH or anyone else to continue tipping in the rest of the site.
So 5000 houses near the site with atleast one adult in each. So, if people are so bothered, did the petition taken to Cardiff after weeks of campaigning all over Wrexham not contain more than double that in signatures?
Why are there so few at the gate in the mornings?
What ever education gives you it is not common sense.
People are starting to see the affects of the site now with flies in their houses and traffic chaos at the gate.
In a few years if the site is not stopped hundreds of people will be forced to watch the waste lorries dumping from their own windows.
If you honestly believe that Hafod landfill is good for the local community you must be insane.
Think about it Dull, we have had some fun on here with sarcastic arguments but in the cold light of day see Hafod for what it is, a horrendous affliction on the surrounding communities.
What traffic chaos?
Chaos is an 8 car pile up on the M6 in rush hour. The biggest impact on traffic is the new estates being built which create more waste to disposed of which will fill Pen Y Bont all the more quickly. Will you stop putting your bin out when the wagon that collects it tips in Hafod? It may go through the new recycling plant but there is little mention of what will happen to the residual waste. I think the official line is that it will be disposed of locally.
Where does denis get his clay from now ?
'...so to accuse MWH and council officials of corruption is just pointless. But you seem to think different so where is your proof'
It's coming! The EA and WCBC are big organisations, and in every big organisation some people get trodden on, it makes them very bitter, resentful ... even vengeful! And they talk, and watch and listen and photocopy! And sometimes what comes out is very interesting, very interesting indeed!
‘and the God Lord said there is a time for sharing’ (well it is Sunday!) and he was right, and when the time comes we’ll share. And there will be some very rattled people about!
So why wait? If what you say is true wouldn't it be better to remove the ones you claim are the enemies now?
I don't think they will be losing much sleep.
Lame brain working class peasants entering their futile comments about their wonderful council and waste management employers.
What a pathetic lot they are!
Well that really answers the question. Nothing like keeping the debate going is there?
So why wait? If what you say is true wouldn't it be better to remove the ones you claim are the enemies now?
I don't think they will be losing much sleep.
Well, I've just bought a nice bottle of £14.99 Chablis but don't think 10.10am on a Monday morning is quite when I had in mind to drink it, I'd best wait!
Also in the garage is a box of fireworks purchased from a friend; shall I let them off now or wait until a family birthday or November 5th. I'd best wait.
And in the January sales I bought a new, all singing, all dancing Christmas tree; its still in its box - would you have me put it up today? I'd best wait.
The best things in life are worth waiting for and believe me this will be worth waiting for. And the reason they won't be losing much sleep is because they don't know that what we know!
Actually, I might save the Chablis and the fireworks to celebrate the downfall of those who have screwed us and those who have pretended to help!
£14.99 for the Chablis. Somerfield have put their prices up then. You are right though. Better finish the other bottle you opened for breakfast.
Fireworks should be banned. If bright coloured lights and big bangs amuse you try going clubbing.
I hope that tree is not a real one or the kids are going to be disapointed.
While you wait, looking at things from your side of the ditch, the people you say have allowed the landfill to go ahead are still running the show. If you could out them could you not campaign for replacements who you favour?
That is why, with your answer, it is obvious they have nothing to worry about. It makes no difference to me.
You really should address that alcohol problem though.
The debate has returned to children referred to as goats and alcohol problems among the proletariat.
What shallow lives some people lead, I wonder what Lord Lucas of Wrexham thinks?
Well this may rattle, you lord lucas pissed himself at this when he read it,Denis i am told are going to dig there own clay from there own land and they have permission, Hafod mark 2 in the making, you heard it first on the blog
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Lame brain working class peasants entering their futile comments about their wonderful council and waste management employers.
Oh dear oh dear that's not nice as you come from a working class back ground and may i add live in a working class area, which i am not knocking just stating fact,
And to the Hafodblogger who said he wouldn't swap, given the chance my friend you would give your right arm to be in my position.
You really must be joking, what do you call yourself a domestic engineer?
Give my right arm to be in your position
I would give both arms and a leg not to be in your sad poorly paid position Dull you brain dead idiot.
http://hafodlandfill.blogspot.com/
Dull and co are not invited!
That was not me blagger.
So who is the idiot now?
I was talking to a driver today who carries for Kronospan. For those who don't know they take a very large percentage of recycled wood that is salvaged in the NW England and North Wales areas.
They have a problem. They are so full of recycled material they have stopped intake.
So if anybody has any ideas what to do with the reclaimed wood mountain please post them.
That is the spirit.
If you don't like the information and people are not patting your back go somewhere else.
To ignorant anonymous June 12 9.55 p.m.
For your information refuse is either animal,vegetable or mineral and it can all be recycled.
As for Kronospan having a problem with too much recycled wood, have they never heard of wood pulp being used to make paper or wood burning central heating boilers?
Maybe the M.P.for Clwyd South should ask their higher management in Austria how they manage to dispose of their surplus, that is if he can find time in between fighting the Mail on Sunday.
The other alternative is to ask the A.M to investigate the matter if you can find a horse fast enough to catch her.
Any ideas for the Welsh Blog Awards 2007?
'As for Kronospan having a problem with too much recycled wood, have they never heard of wood pulp being used to make paper or wood burning central heating boilers?'
Can somebody please inform the informer what Kronospan do. Why would they want paper pulp?
I thought that this protest was against incineration but they do use boilers burning recycled material.
http://hafodlandfill.blogspot.com/
It's busy over there isn't it?
I see all your mates have been posting comments.
I just googled hafod landfill blog.
It didn't even come up.
Why didn't you whistle blowers enter britain got talent competition? it's like watching the show driving in to havoc every day.
Its far worse for us witnessing the rubber duck conveyors of filth into our community every day!
But of course you would not understand coming from a city would you?
A rubber duck is either a bath toy or a 360 degree excavator mounted on wheels rather than tracks. I have not seen either at Hafod.
The people who run this site are bigots. They delete posts that disagree with their point of view.
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