Saturday, December 16, 2006

Santa supports Hafod protesters

Santa Claus paid a visit to Hafod Quarry today to support the festive protesters at the gate.

Local campaigners against the landfill are there every day keeping an eye on what's going on - just as well as the authorities don't seem to be able to keep a check on the place. Here's a report from one of the protesters:

At 6:55am this morning a tanker lorry drew up to the landfill gates and the driver then jumped out of the cab opened the gates and drove in and closed the gates behind him. When Garry (site supervisor) came down to open the gates soon after 7:00am I asked him why the driver had opened the gate and entered before 7:00am. Garry shrugged his shoulders and when I pushed him for an answer he said “it was 7 O Clock”. I informed him that I had a photograph time stamped at 6:58am of the driver going through the gates but he declined to comment. Shortly after this conversation Garry came out of the site and asked to speak to me. He informed me that the driver was Polish and his boss had been informed and as a result the driver had been “banned from the site”.

We would've thought that it was the responsibility of the quarry operators, MWH, to ensure that no vehicles enter the site before 7am, but why take the flak when you've got a Polish driver to blame? And why was the driver's nationality even mentioned by the supervisor? It's hardly relevant to the story.


At Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:26:00 PM, Blogger youngProtestor said...

I will raise the issue with Rob Alan, managing director of MWH Associates Limited, and post his comments here. I have received a letter this week from Mr Alan regarding an incident on Saturday 8th December 2006 when three MWT vehicles were parked on the A483 slip road at 7:08am waiting for the landfill site to open causing an obstruction. He claims the MWT vehicles were "queuing behind an obstruction waiting for it to be safe to circumnavigate the obstruction". I witnessed the whole incident on the 8th December and there were no other vehicles obstructing the MWT vehicles. Somebody is telling lies either Rob Alan is lying to me or his employees to him! If anyone else witnessed this incident please post your comments here.

At Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two quick points -

1. Either / Or? Don't you mean BOTH! The Hafod 'supervisor'(* see notes below) tells Rob Alan lies and he tells us lies - it's the MWH way of doing things!

2. So what if the driver was Polish, it wouldn't matter if he'd been a scouser - they're both as thick and difficult to understand!

* Definition of a MWH Supervisor: A young man named Gary rewarded for working a seventy hour week starting each day before it gets light and going home after its gone dark with just an extra £5 in his pay packet and a very flashy, distinctive Orange safety jacket (do they do those in EXTRA large!) Perhaps he does it for other reasons - could it be he enjoys working amongst all that rubbish or is his wife no longer as beautiful as his bride? Come on Gary - it's Sunday and assuming you are not on site doing your 'coursework' you should have a minute to respond!

At Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He must enjoy working in the rubbish to be doing 70 hours a week,or is his wife that ugly?

Hey youngprotestor check your dates cos on planet Earth the 8th was on a Friday,bless! bloody teenagers to much tugging doesn't no what day it is

At Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

who's santa ? or is it satan clause?

At Sunday, December 17, 2006 6:28:00 PM, Blogger youngProtestor said...

I stand corrected Robbie it was Friday 8th December that the vehicles caused obstruction on the A483 slip road. But I assure you this was an oversight on my part not a deliberate lie like that of MWH management!

At Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:15:00 PM, Blogger Bren said...

anon - my point was that the driver's nationality is irrelevant. Please don't make racist comments on this blog.

anon and robbie - or sexist comments.


At Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:47:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

If it was 7.08am would that not mean the site was open already?
There was actually a broken down vehicle on the slip road which was nothing to do with the site.
Is this the best you can make up?
What about the numty in the 4x4 the other weekend?
Gary's missus may be ugly but his girlfreind is fit as f...

At Monday, December 18, 2006 5:38:00 AM, Blogger youngProtestor said...

Jondull oops sorry Jondoe, the fact that it was 7:08am is my point! The site could and should have been open. When I repeatedly asked Rob Alan why the gates are not open at 7:00am he maintains it is not inefficient management but "deliberate policy" to open the site late and have vehicles waiting on the road! Maybe you can explain this bizarre behavior because I can't. As for the imaginary broken down vehicle, save your lies for your bosses, we stood at the top or the slip road and there were only three MWT vehicles and an Alan Skip Hire vehicle parked up causing and obstruction waiting for the site to open. It was very convenient how as soon as Garry could be bothered to open the gates the “broken down vehicle” was good enough to evaporate into thin air and allow the convoy of waste vehicles to drive unimpeded into the site!!

At Monday, December 18, 2006 8:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bren – sincere apologies. You are absolutely correct; the driver’s nationality is not an issue nor appropriate. I withdraw that comment unreservedly. xbpxgl

At Monday, December 18, 2006 10:04:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

First I would like to withdraw my comment about Garry's wife as I am told she is quite a looker and he has no girlfreind (to my knowledge.)
I spoke to him today and said that his wife had seen the comments about her. They would be glad to discuss the views of 'the fat amoeba' at his house if you would like to call round. He said he knows who you are and you should still remember where he lives from the last time you visited and were removed by the police.
As for the tanker driver, it was his lack of spoken English that was being refered to not his race. (obviously)
So, as I am only giving you reasons to post here and you can't find anything better to put on the site than an unconvincing santa visit with no defence of your claims I shall leave you all to blow your horns.
I nearly forgot. When you notice Garry is missing one morning in the new year it will be because he has gone to his new villa in Spain. That is why he gets up early and works a 70 hour week. Not to boo drivers who really couldn't care about a dozen protestors standing in the rain for nothing.
So Merry Christmas and happy new year to you all. Will the vicar be holding midnight mass at Hafod?

At Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

£392.00 per week gross for working a seventy hour week, what a mug Gary must be.

At Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:18:00 PM, Anonymous Happy Christmas! said...

Does that include bonuses for lying to and for Mr. Alan?

At Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:00:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

Cheap digs at people who work at Hafod or are associated with Hafod really enforce your protest don't they? You should use CAUTION!

At Wednesday, December 20, 2006 6:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are we wasting our time arguing with these idiots from MWH. Do as I am going to do, wait a year until this has all gone quiet then slowly do something nasty to each and everyone of them and their families, like they are doing to us with this landfill. A list of all who are connected is being populated. See you soon enough sad scousers. Revenge is a dish best served cold.......

At Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:42:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

Now if that is from somebody who claims to belong to a peaceful protest I wonder what peace means.
Let me give you some tips on gathering the names of people who use Hafod.
Yes, there is Liverpool where you could get somebdy to shoot their own mum for £50. The drivers for MWH and their families. The drivers and collegues of Alans Skips, SITA, Biffa, Veolia, plus their families. Then there is Recyclo which includes CA waste from Wrexham and Denbighshire. So that means your freinds and neighbours and to finish 90% of buisnesses in Wrexham.
Let me know when you have the names of that lot and i will see if I can help some more.

At Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who mentioned a peaceful protest, we can start with MWH and the rest can follow, forty years of tipping gives us plenty of time. Traitors from Wrexham who want to tip there are no friends of ours...

At Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:15:00 AM, Blogger JonDoe said...

vlwpnBut that is what I am saying. If you work or shop in Wrexham you are contributing.
Shops, factories and most employers are sending waste in. You are saying that you will take revenge on every person within 100 miles? Do you think that you can last 40 days never mind 40 years against everybody?
Try engaging your brain before posting as I doubt you are that hard. Start at home if it is easier for you. Your wife (if you have one)will probably shop local so punch her first. Give the kids a slap for eating what she buys. Nip round to you mums and punch her out then round the rest of the family. Then pop down to DVS for supplying the water and manweb for the electric. When you have reaped your revenge on that lot it should be tea time. GO BLOW YOUR HORN!

At Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:41:00 PM, Anonymous watcherandthetower said...

Hi all,

Judging by his posts it seems the JonDoe has a fascination with the protestors,he does make for a sad apologist though.He just seems to be another little soldier in the service of his capitalists masters,another bore going out of his way to defend the conditions that are detrimental to his own well being.
A bit like the famous ex planning officer who came on here clutching his book of rules and explaining to us in tones of attempted authority that accordinng to the golden rules, no rules had been broken.His ability to interpret the world seemed to stop at the "keep of the grass " sign.

Hafod is an example of democracy in action.
The local paper saw it as an opportunity to sell some papers,the local politicians saw it as an opportunity to grab some votes,but in the end the lorries are still dumping their shit.
There are important lessons here.Perhaps the most important one being a realisation of the fallacious and deceptive nature of democracy.
But more importantly we must realise the need for a new political movement that isn't structured to represent arms dealers and supermarket giants.
None of the existing political parties are willing to look into alternative structures of representation.Only the people can do that.


At Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don’t think I have ever read such nonsense from both sides of this latest argument!

To put the record straight we who protest at the gate do so PEACEFULLY save for a couple of horns and a dozen whistles! We will certainly never resort to the nonsense of Anon (20.12.06, 6:06:00 PM) – Personally, and thankfully we would not know where to start to have somebody shot for £50, is there an Argos catalogue number for such a service? Grow up!

We might not quite be ready to follow the lead of the soldiers of the first world war and have a game of football with the MWH drivers before enjoying a mince pie and a rendition of Silent Night but we’re not sure we’d want them, their entire families and two thirds of Liverpool shot dead three days before Christmas either!

The ‘watcherandthetower’ then makes a very interesting point about ‘the local politicians saw it as an opportunity to grab some votes’ – well that’s pretty much back fired then hasn’t it because I doubt there will be an orderly queue of voters desperate to re-elect Cllr. Bitthel, Karen Sinclair AM or the Rt Hon Martyn Jones MP – the latter might escape given even a Buffoon sporting a labour rosette would stand a good chance of being elected as MP for Clwyd South (well its happened before!)

The bottom line remains – this injustice will be stopped, legal common sense will prevail and MWH and the whole of Merseyside will have to find somewhere else to dump their rubbish –Goodison Park perhaps, after all they’re used to putting rubbish on that field! (That’ll start a lively debate- c’mon the reds!)

PS Just for the record Jondoe – friends is spelt friends, not freinds. Perhaps a dictionary could be added to your Christmas list even at this late stage. If you think you’re staying for the next forty years perhaps a Welsh / English one might be a good idea – just a thought! Happy Christmas and a PEACEFUL New Year!

At Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:16:00 PM, Anonymous watcher said...

Hi anon,

I agree with you that it is a little radical to shoot anybody associated with MW,but I think you missed the point I was making.
The political system has let down the protest.
It would be nice to think that Martyn Jones,Karen Sinclair and Bithell will be out come the next elections,but in reality their continued ride on the gravy train is pretty well assured.And let's face it if we get rid of them, they will be replaced by a crowd who are just as bad because this political system encourages a politically ignorant electorate to vote in these tossers in the first place.


At Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:30:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MR Anonymous - bloody hell, when I woke up this morning I was a woman - that tip really can affect your health!

At Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:41:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know anything about the 8th December as I wasn't there but it seems odd to me that a single broken down vehicle would cause such an obstruction to three MWH vehicles - especially given that the day after they came in convoy down an officially closed road!

At Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is normal for LGVs to use the A483 when it is closed to traffic when a large load is leaving Air Products.
What is this 40 years? Hafod will be filled capped and giving us electricity long before then. Altami should be getting full by then too. Don't panic yet. We still have Borras to look after our waste of the future. Not long left at Pen-Y-Bont though so get ready for the white wagons entering Hafod .
Watcher. Why don't you emergrate to a country that has a system of government you are happy with? Your arguements against Hafod are as yet unsupported by facts re: planning. It seems that there is something deeper frustrating you. Perhaps an unhappy childhood or a sexual fixation with your mother? Maybe a closet homosexual who is afraid of coming out of the closet?
What ever it is get some therapy.

At Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:24:00 PM, Blogger youngProtestor said...

Garry I think you will find your Caps Lock is on. If you realise this and you are using capitals for effect then it’s not worked.
You could write about your imaginary broken down lorry in orange text (to match your supervisor’s jacket!) and whilst Rob Alan might buy into your nonsense it would still be lies – the trucks were parked there waiting for you to open the gate: FACT!

At Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Watcher,

You seem to have taken a bit of stick from the MWH contributors tonight - I'm sure you’re going to "emergrate" (I think they probably mean emigrate) soon to some third world undemocratic outpost - like, erm ... North Wales!

Anyway moving on, I don’t think it’s a fait accompli that Cllr Bitthel, Karen Sinclair & Martyn Jones will all be re-elected. For the reasons given previously I think Martyn Jones will be harder to shift but there is a real chance of the other two being ousted.

Cllr. Bitthel received only 492 votes at the time of his election and has hardly covered himself in glory over Hafod, the only and most serious issue that really affects our village. For example on Monday he drove past the protesters without so much as a wave, a toot of his horn or even eye contact! That alone cost him nine of the votes he had last time! Perhaps if a local village councillor with less than 500 votes delivers a new train station and a direct rail link to London he might just be forgiven; on the other hand the more astute voting public might just conclude that such a major strategic transport decision has been made somewhat further away from Johnstown than Eyton!

We’ve all heard about Karen Sinclair’s big file but she has done precious little other than write lots of letters – she didn’t even accompany the Minister on his visit to the Hafod Site in the heart of her constituency. Given the increasing number of versions of the visit there is still plenty of time for her to be present yet! Perhaps she was driving the train that dropped him off before his driver got lost coming down Bangor Road before waving at the Security that failed to notice him entering the site! You couldn’t make it up! Well actually they have!

Happy “emergrating”!

No offence is intended to any of the politicians who represent Johnstown - I am sure Cllr. Bitthel, Karen Sinclair AM & Martyn Jones MP commit much of their time and effort to their respective roles, it’s just a shame that these efforts have not really impacted on Hafod Landfill. The public perception of what they have achieved is profoundly negative but with months and in some cases years to go before the next election there is still time to actively support the campaign. EFFORT will be REWARDED with votes, APATHY with certain electoral DEFEAT!

At Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09:00 AM, Anonymous bethan jenkins said...

Maybe I've missed something here, but there's a big difference between Karen Sinclair's pathetic efforts over Hafod and Dave Bithell's consistent support for our campaign. Martyn Jones, of course, is too busy adjusting his dicky bo.
I know who's on the right side of this campaign. It seems the Labour lot are out to smear everyone.

At Friday, December 22, 2006 6:22:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Councilor Bitthel pretending to support us when the cameras are out is one thing but pretending to be a lady called Bethan that’s just silly!

At Friday, December 22, 2006 8:10:00 AM, Anonymous Maurice said...

Do I detect some personal political ambition Anonymous? If you think your going to beat Dave at the next election you must have a pretty tenuous grip on reality. I honestly can’t think of anything that he could possibly do that he hasn’t already done. If you think he has really done or said anything wrong and not just some imagined snub then please tell us. I know that if you have any practical suggestion of something he could do that he is not already doing then I am sure he will help.

At Friday, December 22, 2006 8:32:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

it just shows you how bitter and twisted you can get when you have been arrested for reckless driving down the A483 which could have killed others.

At Friday, December 22, 2006 8:40:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

come on down Graham Jones the answer to our prayers and saviour of Hafod, lets us pray!

At Friday, December 22, 2006 9:55:00 AM, Anonymous JonDoe said...

Graham Jones is seting a fine example to the children of Johnstown isnt he? Wonder what the Scouts would do if they knew their Johnstown scoutmaster and his mate had criminal convictions.

At Friday, December 22, 2006 12:26:00 PM, Anonymous GJ said...


I have accepted fully the inappropriateness of my actions at the start of the protest, apologised to the Police for them and accepted a caution that will remain on my record restricting some things I may have wished to do in the future. Additionally I have made a donation to RoSPA but I cannot turn back the clock. It would be nice never to have made a mistake in life but sadly for most of us absolute perfection is not an option.

In relation to my postings on the blog I have never used offensive language or posted a single comment that has not been 100% true. I accept that you may not always (or ever!) agree with what is posted by me or others; indeed there would be little point in a blog or any other form of debate if everyone was in full agreement all of the time.

I suspect that you have attributed some of the recent postings to me when they have been submitted by others but that's the deal with a blog site. (I was asleep when some were posted – I know Hafod is a nightmare but blogging in your sleep is taking things too far!) I am genuinely sorry if I have offended Cllr Bitthel, his supporters or anybody else for that matter

Hafod Landfill will sadly still be there in two weeks, Christmas will not so I'm off to enjoy it with the kids – no more protesting, no more blogs (reading or responding) So sorry fellow protesters, the bacon rolls will have to be a New Year treat (Quite what I am going to do with the thirty fresh bread rolls and sixty rashers of back bacon I don’t know!)

Best wishes for a Happy Christmas!

At Friday, December 22, 2006 1:06:00 PM, Anonymous Mair said...

I'm glad the issue is going on in Europe, like the Leader said, and hopefully the place will soon shut. I don't see why Dave Bithell is being seen as like Karen Sinclair though, his words do match his deeds after all. He is much better than the councillor we had before and has really been good in my eyes as he helped when asked, straight away.
This site is good and I am thinking much more now about rubbish and how I have changed even since last Christmas with all the packaging and stuff. I just think too many people on here are out for themselves and trying to score points instead of getting the place closed. Some of the workers for the company can be very rude and that just makes them look worse.
Lets hope this christmas is the last one for Hafod, merry christmas to all the protesters, well done and thankyou.

At Friday, December 22, 2006 2:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jondoe you really are a sad man, with response to your message on Thursday at 12.15. We never said we were going to hurt everyone within 100 miles and I think it was you who started the thing about guns and liverpool. We don't blame anyone for making waste only those who organise the immoral dumping of it near other peoples homes, so I for one will not be punching my wife as I am not a scally scouser, and I will not be beating my children but the list of MWH employees goes on and the plans for revenge do also. P.S I am 6 foot four and weigh 240 pounds and if you will post your address on this blog I will come visit you and we can discuss the hardness issue

At Friday, December 22, 2006 10:52:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

yigjuvwqJonDoe said...
Graham Jones is seting a fine example to the children of Johnstown isnt he? Wonder what the Scouts would do if they knew their Johnstown scoutmaster and his mate had criminal convictions.
I don't know who posted this but it wasn't me.
Anon. Put your address up and I will make sure you get a visit. Or stop talking like some gangster who thinks he can take on the world. Aren't you a bit overweight for your hieght?

At Sunday, December 24, 2006 3:32:00 PM, Blogger youngProtestor said...

Jondull please ask Santa for a dictionary, reading your nonsense is bad enough without spelling mistakes.

At Sunday, December 24, 2006 5:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is time there was some common sense injected into this ongoing dispute.
First it should be acknowledged that it was the Lib/Lab Alliance on Wrexham County Council that requested the extreme police presence back in September at the Guildhall protest.
It is also a fact that this bunch of quislings are rattled because the protest shows no sign of waning hence the illegal arrests that have been perpetrated by the police at their request.
You question why? Well it is a fact that Wrexham council regardless of its political make up has been controlled by Freemasonery for decades and the police force are willing servants as the same applies to them. In fact they are all working in conjunction with each other.
In conclusion,the Hafod group have made very powerful enemies and unless the people of the Wrexham area wake up from their complacency and support them we will witness even more arrests and the landfill policy will grow and will be on "YOUR" doorstep next!
So stand up and be counted instead of capitulating to the will of the Guildhall bullies.

At Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't take this pizz. I am disleskic.
You have freemasons on side so that arguement doesn't stand up. As for being rattled, i would say more a constant source of amusement.

At Monday, December 25, 2006 5:54:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have stated the case J D, if you are too backward to understand the facts as presented then it would be as well for you to ride into the sunset on the back of Sinclair's horse.

At Monday, December 25, 2006 8:00:00 PM, Blogger robbie fowler said...

Well GJ you can say sorry to the police but know one else when you could of killed someone with your moronic actions, you should be sat in jail now losing weight you muppet.

As for the 6'4 240lb plank , didn't know shit stacked that high was so dense.

Mrs Smout should now do the right thing and go to press , Evening Leader or the Post saying the people against the landfill are not that peaceful or are of sound state of mind; judging by the actions of their group.

At Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:53:00 PM, Blogger Y Ddraig Goch said...

Understand this Robbie Fowler,the police have made utter fools of themselved by harrassing the protesters whilst permitting M.W.H drivers to exceed the speed limit, not wear a seat belt and use mobile phones.
They have shown by their actions just who they really represent.
So R.B.operate brain in future before entering comments on this site

At Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:16:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the speed limit being broken?
EU law means every LGV over 7.5 tonnes is fitted with a speed limiter. 85 kph (53 mph)is the max speed they are set at which is checked every two years. That means MWH drivers could be 3 mph over the legal limit on the A483.
To get up to 40 mph after exiting the A483 at 44 tonnes and make the corner before the landfill entrance is about as likely as Hafod closing before it is full.
Stop talking crap.

At Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:49:00 PM, Blogger Y Ddraig Goch said...

Pay attention J.D, it would be obvious to anyone other than you that the vehicles were not travelling at 70 mph on the slip road but on the A483 which has a 70 mph limit.The police are aware of the fact as a protesters vehicle followed a police patrol vehicle tailing a M.W.H. vehicle at over 70 mph and took no action but left the A483 at the Wrexham slip road.
The seat belt and mobile phone offences were observed from the slip road into the site entrance but you were not present so it was a case of see no evil speak no evil only a tissue of lies as far as you are concerned.
You serve your masters well J.D.

At Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:55:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know who these dickheads are: Johndoe and Robbie fowler (or are they the same person) if so could you place some info on this blog.

At Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello ddraig goch
I think you will find the speed limit on the A483 is 60mph not 70mph.
Nadolig Llawen.

At Wednesday, December 27, 2006 6:01:00 PM, Blogger Y Ddraig Goch said...

No the speed limit is 70 on the A483 and 60 on the Johnstown Bangor on Dee road.

At Wednesday, December 27, 2006 6:44:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes your right 70 and 60

At Friday, December 29, 2006 10:04:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

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At Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:10:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

I assume it was a wagon as any other vehicles at HQ Landfill are privately owned.
1/ All LGVs are fitted with speed limiters which cuts off the power at 85kph. This is recorded on a tachograph charts or digital drivers card on newer vehicles so can be easily checked.
2/ To gain enough speed to reach 70mph would take a big hill. eg. Gresford Hill. This is after the Wrexham junction so to see the vehicle going down the hill the police and protestors would need to follow it to Liverpool and back.
3/ I am concerned that the same people who found the complex laws regarding the planning permission to be flawed are the same ones who are discussing the speed limit on the A483 because if it was a Large Goods Vehicle is not the same as a red datsun or transit van.
60mph on motorways
50 mph on dual carraige ways
40 mph on single track roads.
I think you can still get a copy of The Highway Code at the post office.

At Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:06:00 PM, Blogger Y Ddraig Goch said...

J.D. you are still not paying attention, the vehicle in question was travelling north along the A483 having deposited its load at Hafod and en-route for the Liverpool area.
It should not have been travelling at 60 and certainly not at over 70 mph.
We do not require a copy of the Highway code as we are aware of its contents which is more than can be said for M.W.H. management and drivers and our police that we pay for out of our council tax.
Once again one law for business and the wealthy and another law for the rest of us.
Is it any wonder that 5% of the population own 80% of the wealth when people like you J.D. as an ordinary mortal support this bunch of reptilian cretins.

At Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:59:00 PM, Blogger JonDoe said...

So you would have the wealth spread between everybody would you?
Even the work shy scroungers who claim benefits that they don't deserve. Before that gets twisted I mean people who cheat the system not legitamate claimants.
I work hard and get fair pay for what I do. Capitalism is human nature and that will never change.
You seem to be bitter that you missed your chances through life and have had to settle for your pension.
I remind you that I would support an alternative to landfill if it was cost effective. When I started posting comments i had some sympathy with you lot. Through the lies told and attitude towards people in the waste industry and any person that doesn't agree with you it soon dwindled away.

At Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:20:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong again Jondoe, everybody has always worked hard expect the politicians and rip off merchants of society
As for anyone missing their chances in life that is a sick joke without any foundation. The majority of the protesters work and those who are retired come from a professional background,
If in doubt, why don't you ask the police as they know the background of everyone involved with the protest for that is their role, "paid snoopers".
There is an alternative to land fill but the Lib/Lab pact on Liverpool and Wrexham councils are too thick and bone idle to implement such a policy,they are only interested in furthering their own ends.
There is one thing that we do have in common with you and that is we are all paying for the gross incompetence of these overpaid and underworked wasters.

At Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:42:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear JD

You said you had sympathy with 'us lot' at the beginning and you wrote 'through the lies told and attitude towards people in the waste industry and any person that doesn't agree with us it soon dwindled away'.

Don't you think you've got this 'arse about face' as it is us that have lost confidence in our council and the democratic system and the lies that have been fabricated about us. We have nothing against you or those who work in the waste industry we just don't want a landfill site up against our homes. It has come to something when the great crested newt has more rights than we have, but it wont be long before MWH will bury them too.

At Monday, January 01, 2007 5:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi all,

john doe said
"work shy scroungers"..

I can't recall anybody mentioning the Queen or the rest of the royal family here!!.

John in his wisdom also said
"I work hard and get fair pay for what I do. Capitalism is human nature and that will never change".

So I take it that JD is a little confused,whilst he subscribes to the notion that capitalism is akin to human nature he also admits to glorying in being a wage this system you can actually only be one or the other.

And what of this notion that "capitalism" is natural.What has happened in John's little tick tock brain is that he hasn't quite got round to realising that the capitalists have been taking the piss out of him since he was born,and will continue to take the piss out of him till the day he kicks the bucket.
All thats happened here is that the capitalists have convinced John Doe(and almost every other bugger) that capitalism is "natural" when in fact it is probably the most unnatural thing ever invented.
Sit down and think about it Johnny.If you had the power to design from scratch a new civilisation would you choose capitalism?.I doubt it unless of course you were going to be the capitalist.
So Capitalism would be natural for you but not for the wage slaves that have to work to make it all happen.
Just think it through.
Then think what a total utter buffoon you are for coming on here and making such an idiotic display of yourself by spouting an idiotic backward pile of tripe about capitalism being "natural".
You are the real victim here mate,because most of the time the capitalsit treats the wage slaves with contempt,they hold a special contempt for those that grovel to them.
So you just can't win.The protestors think you are a tosser and your masters think you are an even bigger tosser.


At Monday, January 01, 2007 7:48:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watcher, you should not presume things when you read my comments.
Where do I say that I am a wage slave?
How did you earn your living watcher? Wage slave or capitalist?
As a socialist you must have been part of a co-operative. But there must have been somebody at the top? Did he get more money for being the face of the company and did he work hard and pull strings to get there? Is that not capitalism?
When a pack of wolves are found in the wild or herd of elephants there is always a senior leader. Top dog who has clawed to the top. That is why I say it is human nature. Because capitalism is human nature socialism will never work.
I am not saying capitalism is better at all. But you either have to fight a battle that can never be won or look after number 1.
As for the alternative to landfill at least part of the waste we create, recycling is proven to be too expensive and is costing more all the time because there is little market for the stuff saved.
To the name calling I just chuckle.

At Monday, January 01, 2007 10:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John doe i would really like to kick your bastard face off, I can't wait until your name comes to light, sleep easy.

At Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:35:00 PM, Blogger Y Ddraig Goch said...

I fail to understand the need for the personal abuse that is being used by various people on this site.
There is only one issue and that is whether landfill is a civilised method of dealing with the refuse that industry and consumers produce.
It is an established fact that it is a wasteful method of disposal and the blame can most certainly be directed at the politicians who are nothing more than self seekers and have no interest in the well being of the people they are there to represent.
So Jondoe and others, just stand back and think how we can all collectively force the issue on these useless people and bring about a situation whereby refuse is dealt with in a proper manner which would result in a cleaner environment for us all.
This would also include the workers who have to work in the waste industry in the most shocking conditions, people who Jondoe is forever defending and yet not putting forward a constructive case to improve their working conditions.

At Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:09:00 PM, Blogger hafod said...

Well said, Y Ddraig Goch. Reading this blog over Xmas has been hard going - far too much personal abuse and not enough focus on why we're opposing landfill at Hafod.
Jon Doe's idea of capitalism as "human nature" is quite laughable if he thinks that we must follow the law of the jungle. If that was the case, we'd abandon the sick, elderly and disabled. Human nature is a long way away from the law of the jungle - I'm not sure capitalism is.
Capitalism only gets a mention here because its over-riding purpose is to create profit, no matter what the long-term or short-term cost. That means the interests of the majority and of whole communities can be ignored, as is happening in Hafod at the moment.
If the market price for recycling isn't high enough, that tells us a lot about how bad the market is in reflecting the real value and worth of things.
Councils and companies are allowed to pay lip service to the concept of recycle-reuse-reclaim because their selfish interests come before the interests of the environment and the health of communities.
Jon Doe's short-term interest in a weekly wage is understandable but there's far more work to be had in proper recycling and re-using than landfilling the problem away for future generations.

At Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Hafod,
Like I said before, I agree with your opinions on recycling but the government should be looking at it from another angle. If industry was rewarded for using recycled materials then it would make them more attractive to source. The trouble is while they make out landfill tax is charged to reduce landfill it simply a way to make money for them.
I am sorry to tell you that with over 4000 loads already tipped you are fighting a battle that is already lost.
Mr annon who thinks he can bully everybody. I sleep just fine thanks but remember when your name comes to light and your pc is taken by the police as evidence all your comments will be there to find. Your stupid threats will land you with about 3 years minimum so how exactly does that benefit your kids?
Has anybody noticed that Garry allegedly being late opening the gates has got more comments than Carwyn Jones' decision?

At Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Can local councillors who appear on this site using strange names kindly make themselves known from now on.

At Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:54:00 PM, Blogger hafod said...

For "anonymous" to ask someone to identify themselves is a bit rich! Anonymity is a problem on any blog - some posters here have identified themselves, others have chosen not to. For better or for worse it's made for some interesting exchanges.

At Monday, January 08, 2007 3:56:00 PM, Blogger Y Ddraig Goch said...

To J.D and Anonymous!

"Honi soit qui mal y "pense"

At Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:30:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok. You have got me there. What is this strange language? I thought it was Welsh but nobody can make any sense of it. Not even The University of Wales can translate it. Is it in an anagram?

At Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:00:00 PM, Blogger hafod said...

It means "Evil be to him who evil thinks"

At Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:47:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Hafod


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