Health and safety MWH style.
Just a few feet from the entrance to Hafod Landfill, obscured from vision by a bank of soil is this lagoon. The lagoon has slippery steep sides and contains deep dirty water, so MWH have taken precautionary measures to deal with this potential hazard to local children.
And here they are, two lifebuoys held on sticks.
Most responsible companies would have a security guard on the gate or fence the lagoon off to prevent access by children but not “our neighbours” they buy two rubber rings!
Mr Rob Allan (managing director of MWH) reads this blog, so come on Mr Allan tell the people of Johnstown and Ruabon the cost of these lifebuoys and explain why the safety of our children are not worth more?
posted by HafodBlogger @ 8:24 PM
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As you can see there are warning signs on the fence and around the lagoon warning of danger.CCTV coverage 24hr.then there are the kerb crawlers knocking about in the day, plus how deeps the water cos last week it flooded out the north of england
Mr Allan sent you to respond for him has he Dull?
That wasn't me but I would like to say that if the children of the are do not know that they should not enter the site or are so out of control that they take no notice of the warnings the parents are the ones to blame not MWH. Mind you what do expect?
Anonymous June 18 2007 10:31:PM.
Did you ever wander into strange places without your parents knowledge when you were a child?
Not with bloody big signs saying
DANGER.
My spelling might not be that clever but I can read that.
Mr. Allan? Are you referring to that pot bellied pig from Hawarden?
He doesn't care about our children!
While the informer is chatting to north wales police perhaps he could ask if the school liason officer could nip round and explain that tresspassing is illegal. The courts do not call it wandering.
I would be seriously concerned if my kids were that far away from home without my knowledge with the perverts still resident in Plas Madoc. You are claiming to protect your children yet they are left to wonder? Remember Anna Humphries from Penley and more recently that poor girl from Wrexham, taken on a similar road? (for whom I have the deapest sympathy)
You stupid people we all know that children are naturally inquisitive and mischievous, that is our concern. The proximity of hundreds of homes to the landfill site allows children to be there on a bike in less than a minute.
MWH are not committed to safeguarding our children or our community as a whole all they are interested in is dumping rubbish in a Hafod.
Let’s see if Mr Allan has the courage to explain why a couple of plastic rings, in his opinion, provide adequate protection for our children. If he does make a comment it will make a welcome change from that side of the fence, at least we will be able to read it.
The fact that it is private land and you would allow your children to go and play in other peoples rubbish says it all I think! I live near to hafod and have 2 teenagers and can guarantee you that is the last place my children would wander. I am not Mr Allen or Mr Dull just a resident of Johnstown but I do think there is right and wrong on both sides and maybe if you opened your eyes hafodblogger you wou see that there are bigger dangers than a bit of water on private land!
sad people
So would it be MWH to blame if your kids went for a swim in the fishing pool at Ruabon? Or the pond by Somerfield? Both are equally as easy to get to and much less security.
Where ever you live it is your responsabilty to keep your kids safe from what ever dangers are around. Obviously your superior intellect has not been passed on.
If you cannot keep them under control now you won't have to worry about them living near Hafod. They will end up in Walton soon enough.
I have never heard such nonsense in my life, if the lagoons pose no danger why do the other two lagoons on site have fencing around them and display danger signs?
It’s a bit like the Hafod no smoking policy! The site is a no smoking area as indicated by the huge signs on the entrance, until Mr Allan receives information that staff smoke on site then it’s all change and suddenly smoking is permitted in designated areas.
Where are your comments Mr Allan?
Are you too busy ringing members of your dead head workforce telling them to make these idiotic comments to publish your own?
Your argurment is nonsense from your own photographs there is fencing to prevent the children getting in. Im sure that you are the type of person that if your child decided to ignore the signs on the fence and climb over it cutting themselves in the process YOU WOULD ATTEMPT TO SUE MWH. And if you child decided to break into someones house and cut themselves on the window they had just smashed your would sue the homeowner too
Dull just read back what you are writing even a thick shit cart driver like you will see its nonsense. The two other lagoons have separate fences around them and have warning signs and lifebuoys. The lagoon nearest to the site entrance has no fence and no warning signs?
Why?
The only man who can answer the question has not got the bottle to post.
we all know that children are naturally inquisitive and mischievous
So is my dog but for his and the safety of others I keep him under control.
This is one your most stupid and pointless gripes to date but I know you are getting desperate now so I can look forward to many more.
Look beyond the lagoon and in close proximaty you can see portacabins. So as well as CCTV the contractors can see if the unconrolled, danger seeking children of the area should make a mad dash through the gate and head for the water.
Why they would do this, I have no idea but you seem to think it likely.
Oh! Now I remember the comment about children swimming. You should take them to one of the local swimming pools.
Don't worry me hearties.
The RNLI have agreed to build a lifeboat station on the banks of the lagoon.
Ok Dull let’s take it one step at a time, tell me why two lagoons have fences and one does not?
Sorry Dull let’s start with an easier question.
How long does it take to drive a lorry full of crap from the capital of culture to Hafod?
It's stirred abit of emotion this one, highlights though for the local schools to have a swimming programme then.
Hafodblogger i ask you then why are they fenced off ? tell me the correct answer cos up to now you are stating bullshit as there is more than 3 lagoons on site that i know of, so you are mis informed and wrong again.
Quiz you are just thick mate!
Answer the question then my friend
Maybe they are fenced because they are dangerous? You brain dead idiot.
You can't answer the question so i am not such an idiot, are rivers fenced off is the sea? when you go to the beach is that fenced off ? but the real question who told you there are 3 lagoons at hafod
What’s the point?
Debating with you is like beating a defenceless animal. Dull is thick, but you quiz you really do embarrass even the waste industry.
Ask Rob Allan to post here on your behalf, you may be braver than him but he is a little more intelligent.
Point is my friend you are stating incorrect facts,if i embarrass my fellow drivers what do you do to your flock, more impotantly, least i get paid for this do you
You get paid for telling lies and talking shit? You should go into politics ole boy. Oh you can’t can you Quiz you are thick, sorry forgot about that.
A haaaa! I got a blasted GCN stuck in me propeller.
What a wonderful arguement you put havocblagger.
Time and time again you answer questions with insults and make yourself look stupid.
Keep it up though or I will have to go back to surfing for porn.
Ok Dull let’s take it one step at a time, tell me why two lagoons have fences and one does not?
Well?
I don't know and don't care. It is nothing to do with me as it is nothing to do with you.
Why not write direct to MWH and ask if you are that bothered.
I hope you have got the kids in. It is nearly dark and they could be climbing electricity pillons or something.
there is more than 3 lagoons
Is subject verb agreement not on the National Curriculum in Liverpool?
Capital of Culture - you haven't even got the basics!
You'll embarrass yourself next year; even those from third world countries like Spain and Greece will be chuckling at your collective intellect. Somebody should have saved you from yourselves before you bid.
Read the previous posts Dull, Rob Allan has been asked for a comment but can’t post one but he as usual he knows he is in the wrong.
For those from Liverpool ...
My am gone to bed now
For those with a little bit extra as the Halifax would say ...
I'll see you tomorrow!
zzzzzzzzz
HafodBlogger said...
Ok Dull let’s take it one step at a time, tell me why two lagoons have fences and one does not?
Well?
i guess if you want to be perdandtic they all have a fence around them with cctv coverage,the one that goes around the landfill site. Do bridges have safety nets for the loons who want to jump off them.
i will give you a beep if ou haven't gone by the time i go past in the morning, nosta
Rob Allan has been asked for a comment
Again. Nothing to do with me.
The point missed is that the Hafod quarry is private property and also an industrial site.
To enter without permission would be classed as trespass but try telling that to inquistive children who will play on the railway and amywhere else that takes their fancy.
As long as M W H ensures that they have an adequate security fence and the entrance is monitored by a CCTV camera then they have done all in their power to prevent unofficial access.
It is obvious to anyone but a complete idiot that the lifebuoys are provided as a precaution for employees not intruders so there is little point in continuing this futile debate that is getting nowhere.
Dull you say children should not enter the site and I agree with you, in a perfect world children would not go into places they should not but you know and I know they do.
You mention your CCTV system that would identify any unauthorised entry to the site. A couple of concerns there
1. How long would it take a member of staff to get from the office or tipping face to the gate?
2. If this CCTV system would alert site staff to a couple fast moving kids on bikes how the hell did it overlook Carwyn Jones entering and leaving site in his ministerial car with all the trappings?
hafodblogger you are the one that is missing the point! Was it the train drivers fault that hit the girl playing on the railway line? It is YOUR job to teach YOUR children the dangers of water and indeed trespassing not MWH.
Dull the questions go unanswered my friend, by you and your cowardly boss.
It is obvious what you are trying to do havocblagger.
You moan there is no fence for long enough with the hope that MWH will put one up. As soon as it happens you get on to planning and start shouting MWH put it up without permission.
Just heard from digger. He is digging post holes around Windermere.
You don't even know who my boss is.
I know and you know you will be sacked if you put your name up on here.
No I wouldn't but it really gets to you doesn't it? Why is my name so important to you? You are not even sure which are my posts. There is more than me taking the piss out of you.
Dull you know you can't post your name and you can't answer the questions.
In this P C society where children are treated in the same manner as dogs (e.g dragged up) and absentee parents {if they deserve the title of parents] let their children (opps, sorry kids) roam onto a railway or dangerous site how can any individual or organization prevent an accident if they put themselves in danger?
When the inevitable happens and there is a fatality it is everybodys fault rather than the parents.
It is wake up time to address the real issue at Hafod which is illegal tipping and useless politicians who are only interested in getting their name and photograph in the paper instead of looking after the interests of their constituents.
Dicky Bow, Rowley Poley together with Little and Large take note!
Dicky Bow, Rowley Poley together with Little and Large take note!
I've got Dicky Bow MP and Rowley Poley AM but Little & Large?
Are Rob and Mark little and large?
I hear that the unchartered waters at hafod pose a challenge,with the high winds and floating sponges.
No you dope, Lucas and Griffiths!
Lucas and Griffiths what's that then a tool hire shop
You could be out of luck ellen. I was down there looking for stingrays but the sponges soaked up all the water. Could do with a bit more rain to top up. I hear parts of Shropshire have got plenty of water. Probably overflowed from Hafod going by this blog.
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May as well save you the bother.
What a backward lot these M W H people are, they think the M P and A M for Wrexham are the staff in a tool hire shop.
The filth gas must be affecting their minds.
Still busy on the other site I see.
Well, Blogger - that last comment can't be Dull - he'll be too busy driving up and down the M53 in his little blue shit cart doing exactly what he is told!
Ah, perhaps he has a hand held?
It is very rare you will find me on the M53. Wrong colour truck too.
I think if you have your carer read it for you again you'll see thats pretty much what I said! Numpty!
Last comment deleted for use of the F word.
It was only a matter of time before the dead head waste drivers resorted to that as their arguments are so pathetic.
Well done Dull!
LOL
Good answer Dull must have taken your brain cell ages to think of that!
Are you positive that it is the drivers and the protest group that are responsible for the insults and obscene comments that appear?
It is an old trick to bring discredit on one side or the other for an outsider to intervene and cause discord.
Remember this issue is about the illegal dumping of refuse when it should, or could be dealt with where it is generated.
The people responsible for this crime are sitting back watching their bank balance grow while the insults flow between people on either side of the fence who had nothing at all to do with this decision to landfill at Hafod.
Think, it is all about money and they are the only ones to benefit from the dumping.
Good point Christina.
In the May local elections Christina has my vote!
If reports in the Evening Leader are true there won't be any kids near Hafod for some time. They will go straight past, turn left, past Dennis Ruabon and be hidding in bushes around the car park in the hope of catching the doggers at it.
Strange lot those doggers, who would think the stench of rotting rubbish, would be a turn on?
Each to their own!
The anonymous stirrer is at it again attempting to cause discord with the comments about goats and dogs.
A person to be pitied for the shameful use of the English language!
Your mother had considerable foresight in naming you Simon!
Ok - who's left? Paul? Marco? The old Git? Somebody must be having their leaving party - surely you lot are not still driving your little shit carts about the place? Bloody hell, you've been at it since 6.30am for me to know!
'The anonymous stirrer is at it again attempting to cause discord with the comments about goats and dogs.'
Keep up Simon.
Ok - who's left? Paul? Marco? The old Git?
All the drivers are still there. That is the thing about waste. It won't stop coming when people take holidays. If your bin man or woman told you they were on holiday would you not expect a collection as normal?
I wonder what is the percentage of MWH drivers leaving since last September compared to protest members giving up the gate? How about the percentage of overtime against time standing at the gate?
You don't seem to hang about these days. Do you all dash up to the dogging spot instead?
I wonder what is the percentage of MWH drivers leaving since last September compared to protest members giving up the gate?
You've answered your own question but you're too thick to see it!
Some protesters have left the gate protest to pursue other avenues of protest against the social and environmental disgrace that is the Hafod Landfill site; others have just left. Of course the drivers of the shit carts remain the same.
But you’re massively missing the point – the former had a choice, the latter did not!
What else were you going to do? Could you wake up one morning and decide to be a Solicitor? An accountant? A teacher? Start you’re own business? Of course not - you're a pig thick waste vehicle driver!
You drive waste vehicles because that is ALL you can do - and if it wasn't a waste vehicle it would be a scaffolding lorry, a bread van, a taxi - you're a bloody driver for goodness sake; its all you'll ever be!
And tomorrow morning the gate protesters will be eating their sausage baps, blowing their whistles and then, after about an hour, they’ll be going home - four hours later you'll still be driving other peoples rubbish about!
Want to swap? Of course you don’t!
Bloody drivers you say when you have filled your already bloated fat red face with more cholestrol you may need a driver with a blue flashing light. I would like to know what you do for a living Teacher ? puh , solicitor your having a laugh.
Thanks White Van Man - you're making my point!
And on the subject of 'Teacher' you should have listened to yours ...
your having a laugh
I think you mean - 'you're having a laugh'
You're quite right, I did'nt listen to my teachers, well the biology one i did, sorry! but the rest were a waste of space, saying no good would come of me,if I didn't do my homework.Thank god I did'nt, as I now earn more in a month than they do in one year.
Have you opened your third can of Skol?
(For the record - an average teacher earns around £32K an year - are we really being asked to believe you're on four times the average wage of a Premier League footballer - you're pissed, or daft or both!)
Ref:
http://www.tda.gov.uk/upload/resources/pdf/t/teacher_salaries.pdf
well the biology one i did
And when he talked about pricks he didn't advocate you become one!
Just for the record I would like to say, that apart from 1, that last nights comments were not me (JD)
It is interesting to hear that there is a teacher amoung you. Have you seen the episode of the Simsons when Bart nicks the teaching manuals?
Teachers are not clever. They just read what they are told to and repeat it year after year. They have no tallent, they do not invent or create and above all they have trouble dealing in the adult world where people don't just say 'Yes sir.'
Think back to the fuel blockades. That is a good example of how we drivers are important to the country. After two days the country was at a stand still. Teachers take six weeks off in the summer and nothing happens. They are only there to make sure the kids read the right books.
But enough of trading insults. When are you going to post something relevant that isn't a joke like the last two?
Have you seen the episode of the Simpsons when ...
Strangely not!
For the record there is no teacher amongst us! (Is tallent the same as talent?)
No teacher?
Oh! Of course. Silly me.
Should it not be Hafodblogger
not hafodblogger?
Why?
(This should be good!)
Why what?
Thanks, you've answered my question!
Do you want to know why it should be H not h or why I say silly me?
You call yourself Hafodblogger so it becomes a proper noun.
Unless you are into S&M and you are submissive.
No teacher? If I answer that you will delete it straight away.
Are you dyslexic?
I always thought it was M&S - for the record I bought a lovely shirt there only yesterday!
Re:- Atkins Diet June 22 @ 9.56pm
Mmmmmmm! Sounds lucrative!
Reckon we should use the FOI act to determine where this ego inflated smart-arse's extra income is comoing from.
Are we paying for it's pastime or wot?
Shirt from M&S?
You fashion victim. I bet it looks lovely with your croduroy suit.
It does - thanks!
(And it looks infinitely better than your glow in the dark MWT Issue coat - you should have a word with your Union Rep about that; there should be a financial allowance for having to wear such a thing. Actually does Mr. Allan allow you to be in a union?)
Put your wellies on tomorrow boy's or you will all be getting trench foot standing outside them gates cos heavy rains are forecasted so wrap up well.
Thanks for the warning, perhaps we'll give it a miss then, let you waste Numpty's get on with it!
Perhaps!
I know you find it hard to hold on to information at your age so I will say it again.
I do not wear MWT issue P.P.E. and Mr. Allan has nothing to do with me.
As for Unions, I stopped paying my fees when they helped make a balls of the R.T.D.. They are just more politicians out to feather their nests off the working mans back.
Anonymous? You're having a laugh! You are a real MR ACRONYM tonight - PPE, RTD,
Whatever next N.U.M.P.T.Y?
I am totally independent of both sides, but reading all the comments that have been posted. All that I can say is, have you lot not got anything better to do, with your time than stand in the freezing cold or rain, every morning blowing your whisltes at poor wagon drivers, who are just doing there jobs. There are plenty of other worth while causes that you lot could put your spare time into (as you all seem to have a lot of it!), such as taking part in race for life, which I took part in this morning, which helps cancer victims. I think you all need to grow up and get a life asap! You sad bunch of idiots!
How odd?
’I am totally independent of both sides, but reading all the comments that have been posted. All that I can say is ... ‘
I think you have put your full stop and capital in the wrong place, just an observation!
’have you lot not got anything better to do, with your time than stand in the freezing cold or rain, every morning blowing your whisltes (Whistles?) at poor wagon drivers, who are just doing there (their) jobs.’
Poor wagon drivers - one of the rascals is on £32K a month (after tax, sorry I mean after Skol!)
There are plenty of other worth while causes that you lot could put your spare time into (as you all seem to have a lot of it!)
We're not overly stretched with work etc! We work smart not hard!
As for worthwhile causes quite what is more worthwhile than stopping the dumping of thousands of tonnes of rubbish 200 metres from a primary school I am not sure.
I think you all need to grow up and get a life asap! You sad bunch of idiots!
mmmm, you've got me there. Yesterday morning whilst feasting on my sausage bap, a waste vehicle driver drove into Hafod, sniggering from his cab window. Twenty five minutes later he sniggered again as he exited the site and we left the gate. Personally I went home, spent the whole day with the kids before going out about 4.30pm for some tea and then to the cinema! But what on the A483 did I see, the same waste driver, still in his truck!
...get a life asap! You sad bunch of idiots! Yeah right!
200m from a primary school, what primary school would that be then? I am local and I don't know of any primary schools, within a 200m location? You are that sad, that you even scrutinise the punctuation and spelling of all the comments that are posted, yet you can't even get your basic facts right. Like I said previously get a life you sad bunch of idiots! P.S. all those fattening sausage baps you drown on about, will soon turn you all into a bunch of obese idiots as apposed to just a bunch of idiots!
oh just a thought, I've just flicked through the comments posted on the blog and have come to notice, that you must spend alot of your time posting comments. As for that wagon driver, spending all day transporting waste and earning a decent days wage, and you taking your children to the cinema, all I can say is, they must have just about fitted into your small window of sapre time, in between posting commments. You sad idiot!
To Anonymous 9.05pm
If I'm so sad, can I have my donation back please, you must have taken advantage of my simple mind. Silly me!
'oh just a thought ... '
If it took you 14 minutes to 'think' that no wonder you're a waste driver!
If you are that low that you would take back a donation that you have made, that may help a cancer sufferer then you go a head and do it, you sad idiot! that would just prove to me and all the other people that have posted negative comments in reply to your idiotic comments, that you are a low life waste of space. Now take my advice and get a life you sad idiot!
sorry it didn't in fact take me 14 minutse to think that comment up, I was that bored of waiting for your next reply, in between bidding on Ebay,that I tought I best post a comment. You sad idiot! By the way my chosen career path is far from that of the wagon driver, but saying that I have the utmost respect, for all of the wagon drivers that drive in and out of Hafod quarry.
Bloody hell havocblagger. You have certainly rattled somebody.
Well it is nice to see you are keeping a better eye on the kids now but I hope you got a taxi or let your missus drive in the evening. Knowing how you like that early morning glass of 'fine wine.'
E Bay! That explains it - I often wondered where Sponge Bob, Tigger and that daft Zebra on the dashboard came from!
I could understand, if you were protessting against heroin addicts or paedophiles , but these wagon drivers are just trying to earn an honest living to support their familiies and serve their communities, in an honest fashion. Not sponging of society like other low lives, that we have to co-habit with! so get off of their cases and give them a break, you sad idiot, living in your cosy subburburn habitat
Are you drinking? Your spelling is getting worse!
Have you ever considered Brain Training?
Ebay for animals, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at sorry! Have you protestors got some wierd fettsihes that the rest of us don't know about? I know you must must be a wierd bunch of people, to all congregate every morning at such an early hour, out side of a landfill site, that's just plain wierd!
Right Hafod blogger who are you? one thing is for sure you are a sad idiot, because you to are that sad, that you have to check all of the spelling of all of the comments posted! You sad idiot number 2!
By the way Hafod blogger, the one and only thing that you have got right, is yes I have had a full bottle of Rioja '95' and it was very, very enjoyable, you sad idiot! I understand that you have to stay sober 24 hours a day 7 days a week in order to post your sad comments on your wonderfull blog!
Evening Dull and Co just got back from a weekend away, ask Mr Allan what a weekend away is like Dull he may have the guts to answer that question.
You are right Dull, the heavy rain may get us wet tomorrow for a short time but you Neanderthals will be getting soaked all day having your shit carts pulled in and out the hole by brains of Britain on the compactor.
One thing we can be assured of about the week ahead is we will have clay and frag on the road and endless traffic chaos caused by Einstein on the sweeper.
Not even Isted will allow you clowns to increase traffic movements outside Hafod.
Well said Blogger! (you sad idiot - well, if you can't beat 'em ...)
There have been some pretty entertaining nights on this blog since it started but tonight is right up there with them!
That Rioja '95 stuff sounds good; I wouldn't usually bother with anything less than about £12 a bottle but I am going to make an exception –
‘Tonight Matthew I am gonna be a sad idiot waste driver who can't spell and buys plastic cab friends on e bay!’
Good night!
Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:26:00 PM
Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:27:00 PM
You didn't go far did you?
Dull you really think Hafodblogger is one person don't you?
Dull by name Dull by nature! Hahaha
I am Hafod Blogger Too, or should that be Hafod Blogger Two.
Confused? Ask your Zebra!
Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:26:00 PM
Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:27:00 PM
You didn't go far did you?
This is very revealing Dull - does Sunday come before Saturday in your world?
More than one hafucblagger?
You must be brothers or something. It does explain why you seem to be twice as thick. Couldn't you think of two names?
Two brothers? mmmmm, you always sink to the most obvious don't you? Why is that i wonder!
Well, you're wrong again and actually there are four Hafod Bloggers!
That is worse. Four of you to think up names and still only one between you.
At least the drivers manage different ones on the front of their wagons.
Bloody hell - we've got a Tigger and Sponge Bob (not very original are they) and an unshaven bloke called Jess!
More original than hafodblogger x4.
Everybody knows you are only one person. It doesn't count that Easyjet made you pay for 4 seats.
I know for a fact that three of the four Bloggers have never been on Easy Jet - we wouldn't lower ourselves!
(and I have only ever flown once - to the USA - and I won't be repeating the experience, so you're wrong ... again!)
Mischief Makers, starting talking sense instead of nonsense!
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